Quote Originally Posted by Yana-Chan View Post
Submissive can have different meanings. It doesn’t just mean girly girl or a guy who looks like a girl, or a guy who’s weak. “Pretty boy” is basically “submissive” my meaning of submissive is what a pretty boy is. Just look at the greaser boys. Some were soft looking but still bad ass.
It seems like you're consistently using words with no objective meaning in the manner in which you're applying them and then not understanding why people don't get what you're saying. You're kind of going in circles sometimes too, like where you said "But even the most rugged face could still look fem depending on the face options and tattoos and clothing" this... doesn't make sense and is just not true. Try to make the aforementioned highlander "daddy face" feminine - it just isn't happening.

When you're using words to describe aesthetics that don't have an actual concrete definition in relation to appearance (submissive, bada**, soft) you make it so that no one can fully wrap their head around your idea. Rather than this kind of description (or lack thereof) you could try posting art or pictures of what you mean or even attempt to actually describe it.

As an example; male Viera in my mind are tall and well-defined but not bulky. They've got broad shoulders with strong arms but with legs to match due to the nature of their survival. No vanity muscles, just what functions best in the forest. They'd likely have large hands for their bodies as well, like the females do, as that would certainly prove handy living in a jungle/forest type setting.

Their hair is either long and unkempt or kept short for the sake of ease, though neither cut would likely be performed with much precision as their solitary lifestyle would mean they're their own hairdressers more often than not. I'd imagine many would also have facial hair by default for similar reasons, though like their haircuts this could change when they started to live among the rest of the world.

Facially they're likely conventionally attractive (if the females are anything to go off of) with many having hooded, almond eyes and strong facial structure through their cheekbones and jaw. This would be all the more pronounced by their lack of general body fat, I could definitely see some combinations coming off a bit gaunt. Noses are a real toss up - with the rest of the features in mind I would naturally lean towards a straight, long nose to hold up against the rest of their features as that often looks best on men but I think including a more bun-nose option wouldn't be a bad idea for those who wanted that extra Viera flair. I would also think scar options should be included for sure, perhaps even on the body since this is all kind of a dream-world scenario.

^ That paints an actual rough picture of what I'm talking about. Someone can say they don't like the picture but there won't be any misunderstanding what I'm suggesting. I would say you should try to articulate yourself similarly rather than sticking to largely subjective words, clarity is never bad