Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[jake200135]

I would rather not have the option to look feminine. They're hardened warriors and personally I hope they look the part. I prefer the battle hardened look.

If you want a masculine appearance you have Highlander, Au Ra, Roegadyn, and now Hrothgar to choose from. I agree with giving mViera a masculine body, but they should have multiple face options ranging from young/feminine to older/masculine. There is no reason to exclude any of those options unless you're just trying to be petty. If you don't want to use a feminine face option, its simple, just don't use one, and let us have options as well. No need for you to horde all the face options for yourself.

Also, inb4: "But I don't want to see those faces on other players." Maybe don't worry about how other players look. That's pointless and will get you no where.

[LittleChickenNugget]

If you want a masculine appearance you have Highlander, Au Ra, Roegadyn, and now Hrothgar to choose from. I agree with giving mViera a masculine body, but they should have multiple face options ranging from young/feminine to older/masculine. There is no reason to exclude any of those options unless you're just trying to be petty. If you don't want to use a feminine face option, its simple, just don't use one, and let us have options as well. No need for you to horde all the face options for yourself.

Also, inb4: "But I don't want to see those faces on other players." Maybe don't worry about how other players look. That's pointless and will get you no where.

If you want feminine, you have Midlander, Miqo'te, Lalafell, and some faces, Elezen. And look, you're playing with a feminine face. You're good. Not everything has to pander to one select group or another. How about the faces are just... faces. Handsome, elegant faces.

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And I respectfully disagree. They are supposed to be warriors, not pretty boys. You have midlander, au ra, miqo'te, and lalafell if you want to be androgynous/feminine. Yes, au ra can look very feminine if done correctly. While I'm all for more options, I don't want them to be turned into a fetish race like miqo'te.

Yes, please. Can we please stop trying to turn everything into a gross fetish? And before I hear it, I've seen plenty of,
"I want twinks, slutty clothes, long hair, heels on my male Viera." Play a female.

[jake200135]

If you want feminine, you have Midlander, Miqo'te, Lalafell, and some faces, Elezen. And look, you're playing with a feminine face. You're good. Not everything has to pander to one select group or another. How about the faces are just... faces. Handsome, elegant faces.

Handsome/elegent is fine. But the from my understanding, he wants nothing but masculine faces for mViera. But why would more options be bad? If they have nothing but masculine faces to choose from, that's just sad and boring. And this isn't about pandering to a group, its about giving mViera options to choose from.

[Lauront]

Handsome/elegent is fine. But the from my understanding, he wants nothing but masculine faces for mViera. But why would more options be bad? If they have nothing but masculine faces to choose from, that's just sad and boring. And this isn't about pandering to a group, its about giving mViera options to choose from.

Yeah, my issue with it is that you tend to end up with one face that just ends up looking really "off" given the physique in question. It'd be great if they took an option closer to Highlanders, one nearer to Au Ra and maybe one nearer to Elezen, in each case taken from the top tier of their face picks. It's usually the case that they'll add a softer option, but I hope it's in the form of a slightly narrower jawline rather than the putty face options they put in e.g. for Elezen.

[SturmChurro]

Yes, please. Can we please stop trying to turn everything into a gross fetish? And before I hear it, I've seen plenty of,
"I want twinks, slutty clothes, long hair, heels on my male Viera." Play a female.

To be honest, I joke a lot but some of the stuff here is a little weird. I feel like a lot of the people who want male viera, at least the vocal majority around here, want it for fetish reasons..

[Crushnight]

Can we stop bringing fetishes up please >_> if we go by those that want male viera are doing it purely to fulfill their fetish desire than what about Roe and Hrothgar are they just used by people with bara and furry fetishes or mi'qote and au ra for waifu fetishes or lalafel for the unspeakable fetish, NO they aren't, so please get off this train of male viera supporters that only want feminine for a fetish desire.

I'd like 4 face options, 1 neutral, 1 rugged/muscular, 1 older and 1 young this gives the biggest range for people you could potentially make a more feminine with the young/neutral faces but be impossible with the other 2 and vice versa with rugged. If faces don't fit body oh well at least the option was given just like its possible to make a slightly androgynous face with female viera

[MrKimper]

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Just ignore them, they've been bickering incessantly for like a week now.

Also, I would like to apologize if I've come across as abrasive to some in this thread. I'm still young and would describe myself as "dumb" in the sense I have a tendency to speak before I think. I'm still learning how to properly formulate a response in my head before simply allowing my emotions to spit out the first response that comes into my head. So if I've upset anyone, I'm sorry, that really isn't my intent.

That being said, this is also how I've found myself confusing myself on the point of equating elegance with feminine. Both Arngrim and Amnmaat have actually corrected me on that, so, genuinely, thanks guys. So, with seeing as how just wanting elegant options alongside rough/rugged options is all I'm looking for; I personally find I don't have any skin in the masculine/feminine debate. I'd be fine with however they turn out in that regard. However, I have a feeling the masculine option is going to be much more likely seeing as how feminine the female Viera are. I think SE would want to make a masculine mViera to complement that. That's just my guess though, and only time will tell of course.

PS: I also have been having a lot of fun practicing my debating skills on you guys, even if I haven't been doing it so well. So, thanks for that too guys.

You really have nothing to apologize over, certain posters have just been handling anything that goes against their own personal interpretation of male viera very poorly and aggressively shooting those opinions down. It's nothing really all that new.

[LittleChickenNugget]

To be honest, I joke a lot but some of the stuff here is a little weird. I feel like a lot of the people who want male viera, at least the vocal majority around here, want it for fetish reasons..

Most of the people in here just want to bring their fetishes into a game where it doesn't belong. Then when you point it out, they want to get all preachy about it. The truth of the matter is, their real life fetishes do not belong in a game like Final Fantasy. They can go play Second Life or any adult game for that. Hell they can go play the Sims 4 for that. It doesn't belong in a game like this, I don't care what they say. Plus I very seriously doubt SE is gonna listen to the handful of them that want the male Viera to be turned into a clown race. At least I hope they don't listen.
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Just because I want the bunny boy to look a bit more submissive it doesn’t mean I want it for fetish reasons. I’m submissive myself so I just want to be able to kinda resemble myself but I still want to be attracted to my character so that’s why I wanted something neutral.

Congratulations, you're playing what you wanna be. You have made a successful looking "submissive male character". No need to turn Viera into that.

[SturmChurro]

Most of the people in here just want to bring their fetishes into a game where it doesn't belong. Then when you point it out, they want to get all preachy about it. The truth of the matter is, their real life fetishes do not belong in a game like Final Fantasy. They can go play Second Life or any adult game for that. Hell they can go play the Sims 4 for that. It doesn't belong in a game like this, I don't care what they say. Plus I very seriously doubt SE is gonna listen to the handful of them that want the male Viera to be turned into a clown race. At least I hope they don't listen.

To be fair, the flipside is the game already has that with a vast amount of men playing female characters specifically because they are at least somewhat attracted to them. I am somewhat part of that problem. I play females ONLY in this game, because I think the males in this game look either dumb, or too effeminate. For example, I think the male midlanders are too short and boyish, highlanders look like cavemen, roegdyans look like dollar store hulk action figures, miqo'te are cat dudes, and au ra has too much clipping - I like what they look like though.

However, I do NOT think I race should be designed on the specific fetishes of each group of people, which is what many people here seem to be calling for veiled or not. To be honest, I think some people go way too far with it in mmorpgs - this isn't exclusive to this game either. I remember people reading off people's bios in goldshire or whatever in WoW... really, really weird.

If I got what I wanted in a male it would be a somewhat muscular midlander (human), with a 27-30 y/o masculine "normal" looking face, western hairstyles so I don't look like an emo, 6'2. Cooler heavy armor options as well, but this game seems to lack that.

[LittleChickenNugget]

To be fair, the flipside is the game already has that with a vast amount of men playing female characters specifically because they are at least somewhat attracted to them. I am somewhat part of that problem. I play females ONLY in this game, because I think the males in this game look either dumb, or too effeminate. For example, I think the male midlanders are too short and boyish, highlanders look like cavemen, roegdyans look like dollar store hulk action figures, miqo'te are cat dudes, and au ra has too much clipping - I like what they look like though.

However, I do NOT think I race should be designed on the specific fetishes of each group of people, which is what many people here seem to be calling for veiled or not. To be honest, I think some people go way too far with it in mmorpgs - this isn't exclusive to this game either. I remember people reading off people's bios in goldshire or whatever in WoW... really, really weird.

Okay, ignoring everything else you said because men have played as women forever without it having to be a fetish...

No one should ever read the RP bios in WoW's Goldshire. >>;; I've seen some dark and dangerous things in those that I'd call the cops for if I could. I took my RP as far from GS as I could lmao.

I just don't understand where people got the idea that Viera would automatically be this submissive twink race??? Or this child like race??? It's clearly stated in the lore right now that male viera are incredibly dangerous, live in solitude, and are rough and tough forest guardians. They're not braiding their hair with flowers and giving themselves the ole purp nurp for funsies. If anything, their hair should be wild and mane-like imo, they should be a relatively scowly looking race, and they should be decently muscular without hulking out or being frail, dainty little bois.