Dear Naoki Yoshida and the Battle Development Team,

[Daralii]

Good, the only class that MOST people agree needs changing is scholar. The rest are fine outside of potency changes.

The multiple AST/MCH/MNK/WHM/DRK threads would disagree.

[Enla]

The multiple AST/MCH/MNK/WHM/DRK threads would disagree.

I just took a gander at the MCH megathread and sheesh my heart goes out to MCH mains. If the theory crafting proves true then we're in for another round of 'change the class with each patch' throughout the expansion cycle.

[Penthea]

I'm sorry but this is simply not true. Even if the entirety of the people complaining on the forums that main healers decides to quit, it would still have no impact on player queues.


We also haven't gone down the path of homogenization yet, I think people just like throwing this around without understand what real homogenization looks like.


None of the healers play or interact the same. You dont have card buffs on scholar, White mage isnt throwing shields on people. Them pruning abilities and streamlining jobs is not the same thing as homogenizing.


Can we seriously give it a rest with the over dramatic and hyperbolic chicken little reactions to the healer changes. Healers are fine and you will be too. I promise.

My god I wish I could like this post a million times. The headless chicken bandwagon on the forums is so silly. I'm not happy with all the changes but saying stuff like "sch is gutted" and "all healers are the same now" is an incredible exaggeration. Unless I missed the memo about how sch lost most of its old mechanics, and how all healers now have fairies, aetherflow, cards, healer stances and lilies? Hmmm. Somehow I don't think so.

[Freerider]

I think the thing is that a lot of healers feel left out. We haven't got a new job since astro, mp was dropped to 10k so we are worried about Mana issues, sch lost their way to manage extra Aetherflow, there is a lot of anxiety for long time healers because it feels like we aren't as important as the dps and tank jobs. I'm down for the changes and won't complain as long the amount of damage coming out gives me a need for all this extra healing. At least that's my two cents.

[Freerider]

Also those that are like if main healers quit it won't matter. Imagine doing harder fights with not as experienced healers. People will get frustrated quick if they can't get a healer for ex that can heal and do the mechs.

[Risvertasashi]

My god I wish I could like this post a million times. The headless chicken bandwagon on the forums is so silly. I'm not happy with all the changes but saying stuff like "sch is gutted" and "all healers are the same now" is an incredible exaggeration. Unless I missed the memo about how sch lost most of its old mechanics, and how all healers now have fairies, aetherflow, cards, healer stances and lilies? Hmmm. Somehow I don't think so.

I think most people are referring to the DPS side of healers. Which is very homogenized.

Each healer gets 1 filler nuke, 1 DoT, and 1 AOE. There are slight differences such as Holy and Art of War being point blank while Gravity can be casted at range, but it's still overall very very similar.

Now for a slightly more spicy take:

SCH needed to be nerfed, and hard. Even with all the nerfs, it's likely strong enough to stay meta. Where it's been since forever. The job is clearly OP as hell. That said, I think it was fine to have a healer with a more complex DPS rotation, for those that want a more complex rotation. SE could have nerfed it a bit so it wasn't also the most powerful healer rotation for personal DPS, but maintained the complexity.

Now, you have essentially the same rotation no matter which healer you play.

But yeah, there are still unique elements with things like pet, cards, oGCDs that aren't shared between healers.

Also those that are like if main healers quit it won't matter. Imagine doing harder fights with not as experienced healers. People will get frustrated quick if they can't get a healer for ex that can heal and do the mechs.

Exactly this happened at the start of stormblood, too. People have short memories...

[Freerider]

I mean I'm a healer main and I won't quit being one I just am worried I'm going to be scrapping my co-healers off the floor.

[Penthea]

I think most people are referring to the DPS side of healers. Which is very homogenized.

Each healer gets 1 filler nuke, 1 DoT, and 1 AOE. There are slight differences such as Holy and Art of War being point blank while Gravity can be casted at range, but it's still overall very very similar.

That's not even too dissimilar to how it is now. Right now ast and whm have a very similar dps kit. Sch is the odd one out because it shares its base class with a dps job. All its extra dps tools are a byproduct of that.

Also we didn't see a gigantic wave of asts and whms complaining about the homogeneity and lack of complexity in their dps rotations. Somehow it's only bad if this happens to sch. Hrmm. Funny isn't it. It's almost as if people are actually raging because something op is being balanced.

SE could have nerfed it a bit so it wasn't also the most powerful healer rotation for personal DPS, but maintained the complexity.

Then people would complain that they would have to put in more work for the same numbers as other healers. They could have made all healer rotations more complex with less damage but again, people would complain about too much work for not enough return.

And come on...the current sch dps rotation isn't complex. Setting up dots and doing broil spam with aetherflow here and there is not complex at all. Anyone who finds this complex would struggle to play an actual dps.

For the record I'm not happy about sch dps becoming even more boring than it is now, but at the same time I am aware that it needed to be nerfed, that sch is a healer and if I want complexity in a dps rotation then I should play a dps.

[Freerider]

I mean I'm fine with it minus losing energy drain. Scholar tends to have higher costs for their skills but we don't have something like thin air or Assize to get that Mana back. It's gonna cause all sch to have Mana problems and unused Aetherflow. That's why they are upset.

[Risvertasashi]

Also we didn't see a gigantic wave of asts and whms complaining about the homogeneity and lack of complexity in their dps rotations. Somehow it's only bad if this happens to sch. Hrmm. Funny isn't it. It's almost as if people are actually raging because something op is being balanced.

In fact ASTs have been complaining about 1 nuke + 1 dot for the whole of stormblood. Stop by the healer forums a little more often?

Then people would complain that they would have to put in more work for the same numbers as other healers. They could have made all healer rotations more complex with less damage but again, people would complain about too much work for not enough return.

Fair point.

And come on...the current sch dps rotation isn't complex. Setting up dots and doing broil spam with aetherflow here and there is not complex at all. Anyone who finds this complex would struggle to play an actual dps.

Well they probably wouldn't struggle with red mage. And yeah, I wouldn't call it super complex. But there's more to it than you say. When to use M2 so you can weave, and some other nuances.

But yeah it's not that complex.