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    Imuka's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I can point to multiple times the fans shouted that something wasn't right, only to be ignored, only to be proven right later.
    "You are playing it wrong".
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    With this amount of homogenization, it’ll be difficult to find Healers instead of Tanks, since the new Tank changes actually helped somewhat. So please, listen to the community as a whole to make the correct changes and make healing more engaging for everyone.
    I'm sorry but this is simply not true. Even if the entirety of the people complaining on the forums that main healers decides to quit, it would still have no impact on player queues.


    We also haven't gone down the path of homogenization yet, I think people just like throwing this around without understand what real homogenization looks like.


    None of the healers play or interact the same. You dont have card buffs on scholar, White mage isnt throwing shields on people. Them pruning abilities and streamlining jobs is not the same thing as homogenizing.


    Can we seriously give it a rest with the over dramatic and hyperbolic chicken little reactions to the healer changes. Healers are fine and you will be too. I promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    I'm sorry but this is simply not true. Even if the entirety of the people complaining on the forums that main healers decides to quit, it would still have no impact on player queues.


    We also haven't gone down the path of homogenization yet, I think people just like throwing this around without understand what real homogenization looks like.


    None of the healers play or interact the same. You dont have card buffs on scholar, White mage isnt throwing shields on people. Them pruning abilities and streamlining jobs is not the same thing as homogenizing.


    Can we seriously give it a rest with the over dramatic and hyperbolic chicken little reactions to the healer changes. Healers are fine and you will be too. I promise.
    My god I wish I could like this post a million times. The headless chicken bandwagon on the forums is so silly. I'm not happy with all the changes but saying stuff like "sch is gutted" and "all healers are the same now" is an incredible exaggeration. Unless I missed the memo about how sch lost most of its old mechanics, and how all healers now have fairies, aetherflow, cards, healer stances and lilies? Hmmm. Somehow I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    My god I wish I could like this post a million times. The headless chicken bandwagon on the forums is so silly. I'm not happy with all the changes but saying stuff like "sch is gutted" and "all healers are the same now" is an incredible exaggeration. Unless I missed the memo about how sch lost most of its old mechanics, and how all healers now have fairies, aetherflow, cards, healer stances and lilies? Hmmm. Somehow I don't think so.
    I think most people are referring to the DPS side of healers. Which is very homogenized.

    Each healer gets 1 filler nuke, 1 DoT, and 1 AOE. There are slight differences such as Holy and Art of War being point blank while Gravity can be casted at range, but it's still overall very very similar.

    Now for a slightly more spicy take:
    SCH needed to be nerfed, and hard. Even with all the nerfs, it's likely strong enough to stay meta. Where it's been since forever. The job is clearly OP as hell. That said, I think it was fine to have a healer with a more complex DPS rotation, for those that want a more complex rotation. SE could have nerfed it a bit so it wasn't also the most powerful healer rotation for personal DPS, but maintained the complexity.

    Now, you have essentially the same rotation no matter which healer you play.

    But yeah, there are still unique elements with things like pet, cards, oGCDs that aren't shared between healers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    Also those that are like if main healers quit it won't matter. Imagine doing harder fights with not as experienced healers. People will get frustrated quick if they can't get a healer for ex that can heal and do the mechs.
    Exactly this happened at the start of stormblood, too. People have short memories...
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    I mean I'm a healer main and I won't quit being one I just am worried I'm going to be scrapping my co-healers off the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    I think most people are referring to the DPS side of healers. Which is very homogenized.

    Each healer gets 1 filler nuke, 1 DoT, and 1 AOE. There are slight differences such as Holy and Art of War being point blank while Gravity can be casted at range, but it's still overall very very similar.
    That's not even too dissimilar to how it is now. Right now ast and whm have a very similar dps kit. Sch is the odd one out because it shares its base class with a dps job. All its extra dps tools are a byproduct of that.

    Also we didn't see a gigantic wave of asts and whms complaining about the homogeneity and lack of complexity in their dps rotations. Somehow it's only bad if this happens to sch. Hrmm. Funny isn't it. It's almost as if people are actually raging because something op is being balanced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    SE could have nerfed it a bit so it wasn't also the most powerful healer rotation for personal DPS, but maintained the complexity.
    Then people would complain that they would have to put in more work for the same numbers as other healers. They could have made all healer rotations more complex with less damage but again, people would complain about too much work for not enough return.

    And come on...the current sch dps rotation isn't complex. Setting up dots and doing broil spam with aetherflow here and there is not complex at all. Anyone who finds this complex would struggle to play an actual dps.

    For the record I'm not happy about sch dps becoming even more boring than it is now, but at the same time I am aware that it needed to be nerfed, that sch is a healer and if I want complexity in a dps rotation then I should play a dps.
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    Last edited by Penthea; 06-01-2019 at 11:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    Also we didn't see a gigantic wave of asts and whms complaining about the homogeneity and lack of complexity in their dps rotations. Somehow it's only bad if this happens to sch. Hrmm. Funny isn't it. It's almost as if people are actually raging because something op is being balanced.
    In fact ASTs have been complaining about 1 nuke + 1 dot for the whole of stormblood. Stop by the healer forums a little more often?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    Then people would complain that they would have to put in more work for the same numbers as other healers. They could have made all healer rotations more complex with less damage but again, people would complain about too much work for not enough return.
    Fair point.


    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    And come on...the current sch dps rotation isn't complex. Setting up dots and doing broil spam with aetherflow here and there is not complex at all. Anyone who finds this complex would struggle to play an actual dps.
    Well they probably wouldn't struggle with red mage. And yeah, I wouldn't call it super complex. But there's more to it than you say. When to use M2 so you can weave, and some other nuances.

    But yeah it's not that complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Exactly this happened at the start of stormblood, too. People have short memories...
    Also at the beginning of ARR, and HW. This is completely normal, terrifyingly enough.
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    there is a minimal and small uproar and fear from the vocal minorities and not the vast population. Do not drag this out of proportion. most players are happy in chat and in game. There are people more excited to try out healers now that they are balanced. Healers are gonna increase. Your concerns are heard but fear not, SE made the best decisions.

    love,

    - the community
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    Quote Originally Posted by guardin View Post
    there is a minimal and small uproar and fear from the vocal minorities and not the vast population. Do not drag this out of proportion. most players are happy in chat and in game. There are people more excited to try out healers now that they are balanced. Healers are gonna increase. Your concerns are heard but fear not, SE made the best decisions.

    love,

    - the community
    What is funny is...it's not even balance.
    Can you believe that WHM or AST will take the SCH spot ?
    No, still not because no issues have been fixed and this is even worse now.

    - one of the healer among the stars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    All I want is one expansion where they reanalyze the jobs and make massive adjustments to unhomogenize them. This is Final Fantasy 14 not Club penguin I dont wish for jobs that only have 5 buttons going for them or play exactly the same as 2/3 other jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura View Post
    This current card system needs to be unwritten, destroyed and never returned.

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