Healers in 5.0

[Ayer2015]

I'm switching to a SMN main. I can heal with phoenix ;-)

[AxlStream]

I can't wait to steal the instant-queue from tanks. Healer still get in pretty quick, but for awhile i had to wait up to 5 minutes sometimes. Unacceptable! '

I'm quite excited for the changes myself I've never been fond of being a green DPS, and if they're expecting us to do less damage, I'm sure they'll have plans to keep us busy in other ways.

I'm sure we'll still have it. What with all the "muh tankxiety" and all that.

[Melichoir]

It's not just the aesthetic difference. I don't think most healers even care about that - it has nothing to do with how the jobs 'look or preform alike'.

The problem is:
They have made downtime even more mind-numbingly boring than ever.

Sure you had plenty of healers who did bare minimum; they would top the tank off if the tank dare reached 98% health. But the bigger problem for most healers comes from the fact that we have one dot, one dps. All of us now. All healers get one dot, one dps. That makes for incredibly boring game play. Don't even think about this in dungeons; healers gotta level up too. Healers don't just get to end game doing nothing. That means out in the open world? They get one dot, one dps. To kill everything. To kill story instances, participate in FATEs, Hunts, all of it.

The problem isn't that we have more healing abilities and buffed heals. Unless they do drastic changes to the amount of damage players get, they made healing even more boring for those who like to go the extra mile.

Im not saying youre wrong...but youre wrong.

I jest! I actually dont know if things are gonna be good or bad as Im abysmally ignorant about healing (something I will be working on come ShB), but I think my criticism is that what we have right now is speculation, not actual play. While I understand concerns, I think just because we see teh skills, were still missing the other half of the equation - the actual fights and how other classes are gonna fair. We may be getting more mechanically complex fights, or more damage out going, or other factors we havent considered. I think it might be jumping the shark atm simply because we dont have the other aspect of it.

We got a keyhole, but no key yet.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Im not saying youre wrong...but youre wrong.

I jest! I actually dont know if things are gonna be good or bad as Im abysmally ignorant about healing (something I will be working on come ShB), but I think my criticism is that what we have right now is speculation, not actual play. While I understand concerns, I think just because we see teh skills, were still missing the other half of the equation - the actual fights and how other classes are gonna fair. We may be getting more mechanically complex fights, or more damage out going, or other factors we havent considered. I think it might be jumping the shark atm simply because we dont have the other aspect of it.

We got a keyhole, but no key yet.

Okay, again, this issue doesn't revolve solely around dungeons and raids. Healer mains usually like to progress through the story as, you know, a healer. While in the past it was never that exciting to level through the MSQ as a healer, it's worse now. We have one dot, one dps, and one aoe. That's all we get to play with when we're leveling up in the open world. That's all we get to use in FATEs, on Hunt mobs, solo instances.

The problem is not just how they play in dungeons.

[Enla]

Rather annoyed by some of these changes. The lack of DPS complexity and the removal of Energy Drain especially. Boy oh boy am I looking forward to spamming two whole buttons for my rotation. I'm especially looking forward to having no stack dump for Aetherflow anymore which is just going to lead to more overhealing if speculation holds true. It's everything I dreamed of and more /s.

I just really, really want SE to finally admit they have no idea what to do with healers and actually hire some of the high end raiders to come and help them figure things out. At no point has /any/ healer I've met complained about their DPS rotation. In fact pretty much every healer I've met was wanting an /actual/ rotation to work with, because healing is so lack luster in this game due to the scripted nature of the fights and general low amount of damage going out. So far what we've gotten is three dumbed down classes, with SCH and AST getting the worst of it, and no actual concrete news as to whether or not damage in dungeons, raids, and more will be scaled to compensate for the amount of paste eating this implies most healers will be doing now.

I'll still stick with SCH for my run through the MSQ but if the content hasn't been changed to accommodate these changes I'm probably going to switch to DPS full time.

[Rockette]

Everyone on this forum specifically who has cried and whined about healers having to dps has gotten exactly what they've asked for.

Boring, monotonous classes with the truly unique gameplay different to other MMO's completely ripped out.

I hope you're all happy.

"Shadow Bringers is going to do more damage". Yeah, well what about the other 95% of the game that does none? That's your daily game. Might as well set up an auto hotkey for your levelling roulettes and just stick the tank on follow.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Everyone on this forum specifically who has cried and whined about healers having to dps has gotten exactly what they've asked for.

Boring, monotonous classes with the truly unique gameplay different to other MMO's completely ripped out.

I hope you're all happy.

"Shadow Bringers is going to do more damage". Yeah, well what about the other 95% of the game that does none? That's your daily game. Might as well set up an auto hotkey for your levelling roulettes and just stick the tank on follow.

Worst part is, they're overjoyed and really don't care about the rest of us who enjoyed playing our classes to the fullest.

[Selova]

snip.

Nothing about any of the healers dps kit has ever been complex. Even with energy drain on scholar, your dps rotation isn't actually changing in raids. This has been pointed out already, but your dps rotation is still the same thing It's always been. Yeah Scholar lost their massive aoe damage in dungeons, anyone with any sense knew this day was coming. They've been trying to move scholar away from summoner for several years now. They honestly should have done this way sooner. It's literally been stated that there is going to be more damage going out in dungeons and raids making it so healers will actually have to spend more time on healing.

[Enla]

Nothing about any of the healers dps kit has ever been complex. Even with energy drain on scholar, your dps rotation isn't actually changing in raids. This has been pointed out already, but your dps rotation is still the same thing It's always been. Yeah Scholar lost their massive aoe damage in dungeons, anyone with any sense knew this day was coming. They've been trying to move scholar away from summoner for several years now. They honestly should have done this way sooner. It's literally been stated that there is going to be more damage going out in dungeons and raids making it so healers will actually have to spend more time on healing.

And if you reread my post I mention that the biggest thing most healers have wanted was an /actual/ rotation and my point about energy drain was that we're losing an aetherflow stack dump, not about it's place in the old rotation.

If they actually scale challenges, and I do mean /all/ challenges from 1-80 and not just those from ShB to actually work with these changes I will be fine with them. However 'things will do more damage' does not say as much as you think it does. Stormblood's content did more damage. It still didn't lessen the sensation of paste eating in a lot of content.

[Coatl]

They have made downtime even more mind-numbingly boring than ever.

Relax. Your argument relating to story progression is valid, but the rest is yet to be seen. There are only two problems I have with the state of healers right now.

1. There are fights that are very engaging as a healer, but they are too few and far between.
2. There is an over saturation of scholars who pick up the class for the wrong reasons.

I am hoping the changes coming in shadowbringers remedy both.