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[JohnSpawnVFX]

This goes to what I was saying earlier, as long as you are not forced to click agree, then you're not actually agreeing to it. It says "you may terminate" but does not say "you must terminate" therefore you are given the option to continue playing while not agreeing. Again when mentioning that your continued use means you agree doesn't hold up either because if you havent received an email or read the post on the website then you're not informed of any change to the rules. The rule changes don't hold up.

Starting the game for the first time is the Agree button.

And good luck proving that it's their fault you didn't get informed of the changes. People not reading news/patch notes/important info on the Lodestone can't be legally used as a defense. Same as "I didn't open the letter so I didn't know I had to pay the bills."

[Wolf_Heartnet]

Starting the game for the first time is the Agree button.

And good luck proving that it's their fault you didn't get informed of the changes. People not reading news/patch notes/important info on the Lodestone can't be legally used as a defense. Same as "I didn't open the letter so I didn't know I had to pay the bills."

Starting the game for the first time prior to the rules was the original agreement because it was presented to you back then. It's not now presenting the new changes so you have not agreed to the new changes. Same as "the lawyer I hired wanted to raise his hourly rate of pay but I didn't agree to it"

The argument is simple, all they have to do is make u agree to it before being able to enter the game.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Starting the game for the first time prior to the rules was the original agreement because it was presented to you back then. It's not now presenting the new changes so you have not agreed to the new changes. Same as "the lawyer I hired wanted to raise his hourly rate of pay but I didn't agree to it"

The argument is simple, all they have to do is make u agree to it before being able to enter the game.

Except it says that if you continue playing, you're expressing that you agree with the new rules. You were informed of that upon the first time you started playing and you agreed to that. Can't go back on your word now.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

Except it says that if you continue playing, you're expressing that you agree with the new rules. You were informed of that upon the first time you started playing and you agreed to that. Can't go back on your word now.

Except that it contradicts what it says that if disagree you may terminate but doesnt say you must. So it means you can disagree and continue playing. I was only informed of the old rules and agreed to those old rules but not the new rules. So theres nothing else that can be done unless I am forced to click agree.

I respect that you are trying to explain your viewpoint of the rules to me but there is nothing solid here to make me side with your argument. I can agree to disagree for now.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Except that it contradicts what it says that if disagree you may terminate but doesnt say you must. So it means you can disagree and continue playing. I was only informed of the old rules and agreed to those old rules but not the new rules. So theres nothing else that can be done unless I am forced to click agree.

It's the same as paying bills. You're not forced to open the letters and pay the bills (agreeing to the ToS), but if you don't there'll be consequences.

I respect that you are trying to explain your viewpoint of the rules to me but there is nothing solid here to make me side with your argument. I can agree to disagree for now.

It says you "may" and not "must" because they can't force people to uninstall. But if you keep playing while not agreeing and you end up breaking the ToS, you're liable to get punished.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

It says you "may" and not "must" because they can't force people to uninstall. But if you keep playing while not agreeing and you end up breaking the ToS, you're liable to get punished.

It says "may" and not "must" because you are allowed to continue playing without agreeing. If they wanted you to agree so bad, they would make a pop-up in the login screen to force you to agree. Also, continued play of the game will not result in you getting punished because it's not the players fault for any incompetence on squares part.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

It says "may" and not "must" because you are allowed to continue playing without agreeing. If they wanted you to agree so bad, they would make a pop-up in the login screen to force you to agree. Also, continued play of the game will not result in you getting punished because it's not the players fault for any incompetence on squares part.

Like I said, "may" is just because legally they can't use "must". They have no way to force you to uninstall or implement software to automatically uninstall the game. They're just saying "If you don't agree to the ToS, keep playing and end up breaking it, we'll punish you all the same."

It's not SE's fault players choose not to read the information they present. You realize you're not the first person in history to present this point, right? You can't ignore the ToS at will and pretend you weren't informed. They'll terminate your account at worst and if you go to court, you have no leg to stand on.

[GenBroadaxe]

Except that it contradicts what it says that if disagree you may terminate but doesnt say you must. So it means you can disagree and continue playing. I was only informed of the old rules and agreed to those old rules but not the new rules. So theres nothing else that can be done unless I am forced to click agree.

I respect that you are trying to explain your viewpoint of the rules to me but there is nothing solid here to make me side with your argument. I can agree to disagree for now.

Think of like you're calling a 1-800 number for support. The company states up front that they record calls for quality monitoring. As the owners of that phone line, they're legally allowed to do so and the reason they mention it before you get to a support rep is so people who don't want their calls to be recorded to hang up. If you continue on past that disclaimer and use the service, you've agreed to the terms of use and have no legal standing to have that call erased.

Same thing with TOS for games. There's a reason they announce it beforehand and it's so people can see it and determine if they want to abide by those terms or leave. And I will 100% guarantee that any changes to the TOS have been vetted by SE lawyers to confirm that it would hold up in case any person who received a punishment for breaching them decided to sue or write a state attorney general to complain.