Raid DPS Contribution is IMPORTANT

[Axxion]

Setting aside the emphasis on healing for a moment, what (ridiculously) wasn't touched on, was raid DPS contribution.

They're re-thinking dps' synergies with each other and removing type specific damage,
They're re-rethinking healing and emphasizing pure healers,
They're trying to shift away from certain jobs being "locked" in party compositions,

But can we talk about how Scholar and Astrologian still bring significant contributions to the whole party's DPS with both chain and cards (which are both still there) and White Mage still has no party damage utility?!

And while yes, it's possible it just hasn't be revealed yet, I can't see how they can talk about the importance of ALL of the above points, and not this one. This one is crucial in why White Mage is excluded from parties. And no amount of increasing the healing that needs to be done is going to change this. No amount of personal WHM DPS contribution "in exchange" for raid DPS utility is going to change this. No amount of "adjustments" to chain or cards is going to change this, either.


Unless there's a giant reveal still missing, White Mage is still likely to be in the same spot it was for the past two expansions.


"Please trust me."
https://clips.twitch.tv/AbnegateFairWombatDuDudu

i just wanted to say that it sounds like please thrust me. ( i nothing to contribute ;-

[Risvertasashi]

Though I'm rather skeptical of the leaks, what we've seen so far suggests... well, 10% damage reduction for the party is nice and all, but not really a replacement for SCH's 20%+10% and... frankly, I doubt most people will care as long as the other 2 still buff DPS.

[Vivian_Vex]

Adding new mechanics? That's a spin. It's more accurate to admit they're stripping down and homogenizing the healer archetype instead. There's nothing to celebrate about this update if you're a Scholar main. It's going to suck.

if by spin you mean *the truth* then yes It is a massive spin on it.

[kidalutz]

Setting aside the emphasis on healing for a moment, what (ridiculously) wasn't touched on, was raid DPS contribution.

They're re-thinking dps' synergies with each other and removing type specific damage,
They're re-rethinking healing and emphasizing pure healers,
They're trying to shift away from certain jobs being "locked" in party compositions,

But can we talk about how Scholar and Astrologian still bring significant contributions to the whole party's DPS with both chain and cards (which are both still there) and White Mage still has no party damage utility?!

And while yes, it's possible it just hasn't be revealed yet, I can't see how they can talk about the importance of ALL of the above points, and not this one. This one is crucial in why White Mage is excluded from parties. And no amount of increasing the healing that needs to be done is going to change this. No amount of personal WHM DPS contribution "in exchange" for raid DPS utility is going to change this. No amount of "adjustments" to chain or cards is going to change this, either.


Unless there's a giant reveal still missing, White Mage is still likely to be in the same spot it was for the past two expansions.


"Please trust me."
https://clips.twitch.tv/AbnegateFairWombatDuDudu

I think you're all wrong. WHM/SCH Is still the Healer combo picked for Progression it's once content is on farm that AST is picked over WHM.

[Veis_Alveare]

Adding new mechanics? That's a spin. It's more accurate to admit they're stripping down and homogenizing the healer archetype instead. There's nothing to celebrate about this update if you're a Scholar main. It's going to suck.

Very true! But sch nerfs have been necessary for literally 99% of SB soooo... good?

[Fyce]

Chain is probably still going to stay meta, unless they SIGNIFICANTLY reduce its Crit %(I'm talking down to 5% instead of 15%). As for AST Cards, They said something about roles. We'll have to figure out the typology regarding which cards go where when drawn. With an even stronger emphasis on single buffing instead of AoE, we need to look at what WHM brings on the 29th when Press Releases happen. The big worry for everyone waiting is that SE didn't actually fix the problem, and instead overtuned AST/SCH comp again since SCH already has more than enough tools to handle just about anything right now.

Secretly, the only thing I hope for is that Shields are in fact a Max HP %(Like 10-15%) instead of a flat number that can mitigate Omega's Savage Delta Attack without Tank LB3 and significant party mitigation.

Don't forget that if crit behave the same way it did in Stormblood, it definitly won't be as good of a stat after Shadowbringer launches. Direct Hit was king at the start of SB for that very reason.
Plus, if we consider TP being gone, Chain and Litany being nerfed, and jobs like Bard not caring about crit anymore, you might very well see SkS/SpS become way better than they were before.

In short, it's quite likely that we might let crit on the side for a few months after ShB's release.

[HyoMinPark]

you might very well see SkS/SpS become way better than they were before.

I personally find this unlikely for any job that has a lot of oGCDs to handle. Purely because of risk of clipping with too much Skill Speed. With the way SkSpeed/SpSpeed work now, it’s likely it’ll remain the same going into ShB; jobs that can favor it will take it and jobs that don’t want it won’t (or they’ll take just enough to hit a certain threshold and then no more).

[Yuyuka3]

if by spin you mean *the truth* then yes It is a massive spin on it.

At least for WHM, they didn't as much as add a new mechanic, but finally made the one that was already there usable. AKA they finally, after two years, did what they should have done ages ago. There's really nothing to commend them for. Most of what we got to see so far in leaks is just improving on what we had before, we don't get that much new stuff. We get slightly better at healing while moving - yay, we finally caught up to AST and SCH! Amazing! Well,it's not, that's what should have happened ages ago.

What's even worse is that it already is to the point that the only unknown skill left not covered in leaks is Afflatus Rapture. I so, so hope it will be a group buff of some sort. It does sound like it might by name alone, so I'm holding a small scrap of hope that it will be, but I'm really trying not to get my hopes up too much since I know how incompetent they have been in the past. If it's not... then I don't know if Temperance will be enough to save the job.

[Crushnight]

if leaks are even remotely true.


yea hlr balance is not even remotely happening and whm will most likely spend another expansion at the bottom due to it.

[Zolvolt]

I love that people think sch is chosen over whm because of chain alone. Chain could not exist and sch would still be better than whm