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  1. #1
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    DotsNnots's Avatar
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    Alevia Rohan
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 80

    Raid DPS Contribution is IMPORTANT

    Setting aside the emphasis on healing for a moment, what (ridiculously) wasn't touched on, was raid DPS contribution.

    They're re-thinking dps' synergies with each other and removing type specific damage,
    They're re-rethinking healing and emphasizing pure healers,
    They're trying to shift away from certain jobs being "locked" in party compositions,

    But can we talk about how Scholar and Astrologian still bring significant contributions to the whole party's DPS with both chain and cards (which are both still there) and White Mage still has no party damage utility?!

    And while yes, it's possible it just hasn't be revealed yet, I can't see how they can talk about the importance of ALL of the above points, and not this one. This one is crucial in why White Mage is excluded from parties. And no amount of increasing the healing that needs to be done is going to change this. No amount of personal WHM DPS contribution "in exchange" for raid DPS utility is going to change this. No amount of "adjustments" to chain or cards is going to change this, either.


    Unless there's a giant reveal still missing, White Mage is still likely to be in the same spot it was for the past two expansions.


    "Please trust me."
    https://clips.twitch.tv/AbnegateFairWombatDuDudu
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    manamoppet's Avatar
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    Astral Thalia
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    Odin
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    Sage Lv 90
    We'll have to wait and see what people at E3 June 10 have to say I guess... They said at the end of talking about the job changes that people would get to try ShB changes and fight Titania then.
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    Rin Hikari
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    Lamia
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    Scholar Lv 60
    WHM dead on arrival once again. Please look forward to it.

    (big levi fan btw)
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Adamantoise
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    Blacksmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FusionSamurai View Post
    WHM dead on arrival once again. Please look forward to it.

    (big levi fan btw)
    Hate to say it but if WHM doesn't get some kind of DPS buff ability this is going to happen.

    Haste - speeds up a party member actions
    Reflect - returns a % of damage back to the attacker
    Berserk - Increase damage of a party member

    These are White Magic spells from the series that buffed the parties damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    that might be what they meant by pure healing emphasis. Compared to raid buffs.

    All the same, it was incredibly vague. So we don't really know. But... I'm worried. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear white mage will be the red-headed stepchild healer once more.
    From what is sounds like, Pure Healing simply means that SCH and AST barriers are going to be less effective. If this is the case it just pushes the problem no solves it because SCH and AST will be able to pure heal and buff, while WHM will be able to pure heal and......?
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 05-26-2019 at 01:54 AM.

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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Hate to say it but if WHM doesn't get some kind of DPS buff ability this is going to happen.
    They would need that, or a way to improve the abilities from SCH and AST such as extending timers, or applying haste on everyone so everyone gets more attacks off during Balance/Chain windows.

    I'm afraid I will no longer be able to defend the devs in regards to healing if WHM doesn't get something that's desired by raids and their co-healers. It would be a strong indicator that they either have a vision of WHM they are trying to force feed us, or absolutely no one over there mains a WHM who is letting them know what our issues are.

    What's troubling is looking at the job actions for SCH and AST, many of us were impressed with what we saw even though we are left to speculate on quite a few skills. Fact remains we liked what we saw, while WHM was just kind of... meh. I'd lean towards most thoughts hovering around, "Well, they can still heal." So many players are left with excitement based off what they saw for their favorite jobs: NIN, MCH, DRK just to name a few. Hell, MCH was so good players are already talking about changing their main to MCH. I feel like that is how us WHMs should be feeling right now, and we're just not.

    Sounds like a broken record now, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    From what is sounds like, Pure Healing simply means that SCH and AST barriers are going to be less effective. If this is the case it just pushes the problem no solves it because SCH and AST will be able to pure heal and buff, while WHM will be able to pure heal and......?
    Yeah that's what I'm worried about. And then in 6.0 SE will tell us we're still not getting a new healer because they want to focus on balancing the healers...
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    Brunox Sky
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by FusionSamurai View Post
    WHM dead on arrival once again. Please look forward to it.

    (big levi fan btw)
    All the healers are going to be dumbed-down from what we see right. I'm dreading the release of this expansion. Not only did we not get a new healer release, but on top of that they're trashing the healers we currently play.
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    Eileen White
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    All the healers are going to be dumbed-down from what we see right. I'm dreading the release of this expansion. Not only did we not get a new healer release, but on top of that they're trashing the healers we currently play.
    I wouldn't necessarily say "trashing", more like they've undermined the healers from the ground up to fix issues that we have now.
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    Nivie Guillestet
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    Midgardsormr
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    All the healers are going to be dumbed-down from what we see right. I'm dreading the release of this expansion. Not only did we not get a new healer release, but on top of that they're trashing the healers we currently play.
    trashing healers by adding new mechanics to them. Yeah. Alright.

    TOOOOTALLY RUINING THEM.
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivian_Vex View Post
    trashing healers by adding new mechanics to them. Yeah. Alright.

    TOOOOTALLY RUINING THEM.

    Adding new mechanics? That's a spin. It's more accurate to admit they're stripping down and homogenizing the healer archetype instead. There's nothing to celebrate about this update if you're a Scholar main. It's going to suck.
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