How do we feel about the tank changes?

[Awha]

My fear is they gave up on making the tank role fun and engaging the play and made the choice to make the jobs themselves fun to play instead of trying to strike a balance between the two on them. As it stands I do enjoy how tanks currently playing since for me they were close to hitting that balance, I was hoping that moving forward they would put a tad more emphasis on the tanking aspect while still making the dps aspect important. Though it seems like they gave up on that and have made tanking to a degree passive so to speak.

[Freyyy]

I like the changes. Tanking has been trivialized for a while now and we've been avoiding enmity combos and tanking stance in raids as much as we could since late ARR/early HW. Since then, SE kept giving us more and more DPS-focused abilities but the tanks' DPS rotations were still really basic and easy because they had to have 3 slots dedicated to enmity combos on top of multiple slots taken by defensive CDs. It makes more sense to just do away with the stance system and enmity combos and go balls-deep on DPS rotations and cool job mechanics with all the freed-up space. It's also great because now our enmity generation will directly be tied to our DPS. Since we won't have any enmity generating combo anymore, we can't just get a gigantic lead in the first 3 GCDs and just be bad or sit down for the rest of the fight and still keep agro. We'll have to turn the tank stance on and deal good damage in order to keep a constant enmity lead over our hot-headed DPS friends for the whole fight. Rewarding good DPS with more "tanking power" (which are aggro and survivability) is the right way to go.

[Selova]

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Did we even watch the same job actions trailer? GNB's abilities were pretty flashy. As for the whole "stance dancing" argument. There is no stance dancing in this game. Outside of the initial snap aggro pull, you're literally in dps stance for the entire fight unless you use tank stance to soak a tank buster. I think it's a bit early to be jumping on the "hemogenization" bandwagon when it comes to the jobs, there simply isn't enough information to go on yet.

[Novak_04]

I think it's a bit early to be jumping on the "hemogenization" bandwagon when it comes to the jobs, there simply isn't enough information to go on yet.

This was acknowledged already... most of the people here are conceding to that point. Rather, we're saying it's leaning toward that. An overwhelming amount of posters have stated that they'll have to wait see how the classes play out before reaching any conclusions. While you're correct in stating that there isn't enough information yet, given the evidence, it's looking like homogenization isn't far off the mark.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Might as well leave tank stance off and just say "I'm DPS that happens to be in the tank role"

[Kaedan]

This was acknowledged already... most of the people here are conceding to that point. Rather, we're saying it's leaning toward that. An overwhelming amount of posters have stated that they'll have to wait see how the classes play out before reaching any conclusions. While you're correct in stating that there isn't enough information yet, given the evidence, it's looking like homogenization isn't far off the mark.

It's all overreaction. "Oh no, all tanks get a set of 3 abilities that will make sure they have what they need in their kit to be effective as either MT or OT. They're all just homogenized now!!!!!"

It's a ridiculous claim by people knee-jerk reacting. All jobs of all the roles need some basic skills that do essentially the same thing so they have a basic kit for what their role is. But just because they have those skills doesn't mean "oh no doom, the sky is falling homogenization!"

Now, if the majority of tank skills were all just the same skill with different animation "skins", then sure, people could say they homogenized the tanks. But that clearly isn't the case.

[Giubba]

Might as well leave tank stance off and just say "I'm DPS that happens to be in the tank role"

i really hope this will be not the case.

[Novak_04]

It's all overreaction. "Oh no, all tanks get a set of 3 abilities that will make sure they have what they need in their kit to be effective as either MT or OT. They're all just homogenized now!!!!!"

It's a ridiculous claim by people knee-jerk reacting. All jobs of all the roles need some basic skills that do essentially the same thing so they have a basic kit for what their role is. But just because they have those skills doesn't mean "oh no doom, the sky is falling homogenization!"

Now, if the majority of tank skills were all just the same skill with different animation "skins", then sure, people could say they homogenized the tanks. But that clearly isn't the case.

Please show me where I said anything of the sort. You speak of over-reacting and knee-jerk reactions.... the irony of your response here is incredible.

[Kabooa]

Now, if the majority of tank skills were all just the same skill with different animation "skins", then sure, people could say they homogenized the tanks. But that clearly isn't the case.

Uh, set of 3?

Speaking just now, a majority of the Tank kits are copy pasta.

[Kaedan]

Please show me where I said anything of the sort. You speak of over-reacting and knee-jerk reactions.... the irony of your response here is incredible.

I didn't say you said it. I was talking in general about ridiculous people claiming over-homogenziation.

Uh, set of 3?

Speaking just now, a majority of the Tank kits are copy pasta.

Yeah, set of three.
1) Defense skill that can be applied to all party members
2) A skill for OT to support MT
3) Personal Mitigation buffs

Those are the three types of skills that are homogeneous among all tanks. Other than that, there's very little homogenization from what we have seen from the LL. And it's completely false to claim a majority of Tank skills are "copy pasta". That's beyond ridiculous.