What's disappointed me most about RDM in 5.0

[Aethaeryn]

Something Like a damage down [something defensive Id say or an aggro cut so it doesnt *compete* for DPS] on displacement with 200 potency and just leaving Engagement with 200 potency no additional effect would have been an okay compromise. :C

With the Engagement thing, it's worth noting that you do lose at least couple of autoattacks if you Displacement and Corps-a-corps or run back in after the next dualcast spell. I'm not sure how much potency RDM autos have (or if that potency is changing at all with 5.0 changes), but that might be part of why Engagement is lower potency than Displacement. RDM autos are pretty weak, so 50p weaker might be too much, but we don't know if these are the final numbers that will appear at launch either. But if they were both 200p, you'd basically never want to use Displacement from a straight up min/max standpoint unless you could time the cooldown for a specific mechanic. A lot of RDMs don't hang out close to the boss for autoattacks anyway, so I guess it's a moot point then.

[Nalien]

With the Engagement thing, it's worth noting that you do lose at least couple of autoattacks if you Displacement and Corps-a-corps or run back in after the next dualcast spell.

Well, numbers are changing with 5.0 anyway, but right now;

Break deals 50 potency, and I'm hitting a Lv1 dummy for around 1600.
Autoattacks are hitting for about 70.

So that's about 23 autoattacks to make up for the 50 potency difference? Probably doing this wrong, I just quickly checked on a dummy outside my house.

I can't be asked to work out how that would fit into the recast of Displacement/Engagement, but it does raise an interesting point. If the idea really is that the potency difference is down to autoattacks... Why not go all in on that? Give Engagement a buff or debuff that enhances your autoattacks for a short duration. That at least makes the ability conceptually interesting. You could even give it raid utility... Imagine if Engagement applied a debuff that increased the amount of damage from autoattacks a target takes... It's not Trick Attack levels of impactful, but at least it would be something...

I guess you'd always be using it instead of Displacement then though, but given it's designed already to be used instead of Displacement based on level design.... IDK, the whole skill is a mess IMHO. They need to go back to the drawing board with it... Of all the skills shown for 5.0, Engagement gives me the most "Shake it Off" vibes.

[Aethaeryn]

Well, numbers are changing with 5.0 anyway, but right now;

Break deals 50 potency, and I'm hitting a Lv1 dummy for around 1600.
Autoattacks are hitting for about 70.

So that's about 23 autoattacks to make up for the 50 potency difference? Probably doing this wrong, I just quickly checked on a dummy outside my house.

I can't be asked to work out how that would fit into the recast of Displacement/Engagement, but it does raise an interesting point. If the idea really is that the potency difference is down to autoattacks... Why not go all in on that? Give Engagement a buff or debuff that enhances your autoattacks for a short duration. That at least makes the ability conceptually interesting. You could even give it raid utility... Imagine if Engagement applied a debuff that increased the amount of damage from autoattacks a target takes... It's not Trick Attack levels of impactful, but at least it would be something...

I guess you'd always be using it instead of Displacement then though, but given it's designed already to be used instead of Displacement based on level design.... IDK, the whole skill is a mess IMHO. They need to go back to the drawing board with it... Of all the skills shown for 5.0, Engagement gives me the most "Shake it Off" vibes.

I mean, I agree with all of this. I'd personally rather they just remove the potency from displacement/corps-a-corps entirely and raise whatever spell potencies accordingly to compensate, but I think a lot of people probably like having a couple extra buttons to throw into RDM's already fairly simple rotation.