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  1. #31
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    I thought gender wasn’t supposed to matter anymore.
    If you want to play as a Hrothgar, then why does it matter that you play as a male? Vice versa for Viera.
    Isn’t that part of the RP experience? Playing a different character, race and gender to yourself?
    Perhaps you’re a transsexual Hrothgar at the beginning/end of your transition depending on which way you’re going.

    /devilsadvocat

    But seriously, while options are obviously preferential, there’s limits to everything, and they’ve explained pretty satisfactorily why we’ve only got one of each gender.
    We don’t get to play as children, or as old people, or a dragons or kobolds, so why get so hung up on gender?
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    Geistherz Gungnir
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    I want 2 transgender fairys. Black and White.
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    - Queen of Heal 2022 -
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    Damit du als Queen of heal natürlich deine königlichen Wünsche erfüllt bekommst. ♥
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    Ich finde es eh schon krank, dass du Paules Zitat ungefragt verwendest und ich weiß, dass du nie eine Erlaubnis dafür bekommen hast!

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by illumy View Post
    well thx all for teaching what sexist is lol, so male fairy chances are slim?
    While I'm all for more options, it's sounding like a very slim chance, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe View Post
    No, that isn't sexism. That's following gender norms. Not to mention that viera were already created before this game. To say that it's sexist because they are implemented exactly how they appear in Final Fantasy XII is laughable at best.
    Well actually... that kinda is sexism. Because there aren't really any "gender norms" both males and females are more on a spectrum between Feminine and Masculine defined behaviour and appearance... as males can be effeminate and females can be muscular/ portray masculine values.

    Also the FF12 version of Viera was a product of its time... and gives an impression that can be argued as being sexist - but i don't think this is the place for that particular debate.
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    i want ifrit to be a girl now. fair is fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I thought gender wasn’t supposed to matter anymore.
    If you want to play as a Hrothgar, then why does it matter that you play as a male? Vice versa for Viera.
    Isn’t that part of the RP experience? Playing a different character, race and gender to yourself?
    Perhaps you’re a transsexual Hrothgar at the beginning/end of your transition depending on which way you’re going.

    /devilsadvocat

    But seriously, while options are obviously preferential, there’s limits to everything, and they’ve explained pretty satisfactorily why we’ve only got one of each gender.
    We don’t get to play as children, or as old people, or a dragons or kobolds, so why get so hung up on gender?
    For me, its because I like playing as males. I've tried playing a females before but its not for me. So for me, the lack of Male Viera means i cannot play the Viera. Granted this IS a preference thing, but still thats why i personally want the males added. More options can only mean a better game.
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    Are you trying to get on the FFXIV Forum Quotes twitter?
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvaire View Post
    Well actually... that kinda is sexism. Because there aren't really any "gender norms" both males and females are more on a spectrum between Feminine and Masculine defined behaviour and appearance... as males can be effeminate and females can be muscular/ portray masculine values.

    Also the FF12 version of Viera was a product of its time... and gives an impression that can be argued as being sexist - but i don't think this is the place for that particular debate.
    So we have three masculine male character models right now. Highlander, Roegadyn, and Au Ra (although you can make those rather feminine if you try). Elezen are tall, elegant, and rather feminine. Midlanders are like Au Ra and can look both masculine and feminine. Miqo'te are almost entirely feminine (except a few outliers that use the one masculine face they have). Finally, lalafell are potatoes. If we base this off the purely masculine races, we have two. So, calling the devs sexist is entirely ridiculous and their choice to make everyone happy is, also, not sexist. The fact that you think EVERY SINGLE THING is sexist is hilarious to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe View Post
    So we have three masculine male character models right now. Highlander, Roegadyn, and Au Ra (although you can make those rather feminine if you try). Elezen are tall, elegant, and rather feminine. Midlanders are like Au Ra and can look both masculine and feminine. Miqo'te are almost entirely feminine (except a few outliers that use the one masculine face they have). Finally, lalafell are potatoes. If we base this off the purely masculine races, we have two. So, calling the devs sexist is entirely ridiculous and their choice to make everyone happy is, also, not sexist. The fact that you think EVERY SINGLE THING is sexist is hilarious to me.
    I have never called the devs Sexist, i have actually said that its a middle of the ground thing and that it can arguably be called sexist and then only because of the juxtaposition of the two races. I offered a reason why it could be considered sexist, not that it actually was sexist.

    You can claim that i think everything is sexist, but this is a fallacious assertion on your part. There have things you have said which i have highlighted can be argued as being sexist or is sexist in and of itself. But much of this is about perspective, my perspective is that it can be seen as sexist, not that it actually *IS* sexist.
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    just make it a toneberry
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