watch a guide, you are not gonna die

[Aurelius2625]

To be honest, this is why the game's community is full of casuals. That's not necessarily a bad thing. However, you can't have it both ways. You can't be a moron who knows nothing, going into EX or Savage, and expect people to stay in your party for long, because it's clear you don't know anything about the encounter. I give it the three wipe rule: wipe three times, I'm out. It doesn't matter that you THINK you are entitled to my time, being there in the queue with you, you are not.

Even when I was progging UwU, if I'd do something dumb WITH MY STATIC, I'd feel terrible and apologize.

This community has a HUGE problem with taking responsibility for itself. Like, asking you to take TEN MINUTES out of your life, is too much?

I just don't understand how someone can be so selfish, when other people bothered to make sure they knew what was up before queuing. I almost want to say, "How dare you?" for not even bothering. It's the same thing as "oh the mean raiders kicked my from PF because my dps wasn't good enough and I died a lot". Like.... fam, don't be a moron. BASIC COMPETENCE should not be a LUXURY to find in this game. It should be a STANDARD.

But, you know... I'm a mean guy for thinking that way. So instead, skilled players like myself, will just leave your parties, and you'll eventually figure out why you can't clear savage, and why people abandon your parties all the time... maybe, just maybe, taking that ten minutes to watch a guide would have saved you HOURS in partyfinder.

One can hope most will figure that out someday.

[Xlantaa]

So. Spoilers no if it is me. But if it is others, they should spoil themselves? That's pretty selfish too. If we consider a fight spoiler too, it is not contradictory? Specially nowadays when everything is considered as spoiler.

Learn is a process that everyone will pass. It is pretty stupid pretend that someone enters a fight for the first time knowing everything. Why you play the game then, if you will see half of it in youtube? By forcing players to watch guides before enter a duty you are killing the "discovering" for that player, a essential element on any videogame. Are only few choosen ones who play the duty for the first time allowed to enjoy the content blind?

My think is solid. First time is blind. If you don't want go blind it is ok, but do not force others to do so.

[Aurelius2625]

Blind runs are for when the content comes out. Not three years later. It's just irresponsible. And, I'd probably kick you from my party finder if you did that . Or I'd just leave and take the penalty for dungeon/alliance. Again, don't be mad when people leave, you brought it on yourself for not watching a video.

Also, kicking someone for "conflicting with my playstyle" is okay now, right? So it's okay if I kick someone because my playstyle includes preparation and watching a video?

A third point: In JP, it's EXPECTED that you have done some research, before joining an encounter in the Duty Finder. Party Finder is used to learn fights. So... if you join a DF run, and suck because you didn't try to learn beforehand, you'll probably just get blacklisted.

[Seraphor]

Blind runs are for when the content comes out. Not three years later. It's just irresponsible. And, I'd probably kick you from my party finder if you did that . Or I'd just leave and take the penalty for dungeon/alliance. Again, don't be mad when people leave, you brought it on yourself for not watching a video.

Also, kicking someone for "conflicting with my playstyle" is okay now, right? So it's okay if I kick someone because my playstyle includes preparation and watching a video?

Blind runs are for your first time, whenever that happens to be, if that's what you wish.

You take responsibility for that by joining a learning party, or setting on up yourself, and being up front with everyone else in your party.

There's no reason to take it to extremes, or apply your own blanket method to everyone else, there's a responsible option for blind runs.

[Gula]

But what if the content is new and no guides exist? People like you are the reason I can only enjoy day 1. I'm not paying to watch someone else play the game for me.

[Skivvy]

A third point: In JP, it's EXPECTED that you have done some research, before joining an encounter in the Duty Finder. Party Finder is used to learn fights. So... if you join a DF run, and suck because you didn't try to learn beforehand, you'll probably just get blacklisted.

Last time I checked this is the NA playerbase. NA considers DF to be for practice/blind runs/general use, PF is you want something more specific. If you want the other, go move to a JP data center/server.

[Aurelius2625]

LOL. Calm down people. It's okay. People are just going to solve this problem by leaving your PF if you can't do mechanics, and then you'll whine about people being mean, not spending their precious time gaming holding your hand like a toddler, through content. Sheesh. There's no need to be so uncivil about this.

It boils down to this: Don't expect people to waste their time on you, you didn't earn their time or their attention. Do what you can. If you want to be fumbling through content, wiping the raid or party all the time and laugh as you frustrate other people with your blunder, that's fine. You do you. But I don't have to stay for that, LOL, no one does.

If you want to do whatever you want, just expect people to leave, or back out of party finder and kick you. I mean, I can't stop basic human instinct. If I have two hours to clear something, and it's clear someone is an idiot who didn't watch the full guide, read up a guide on The Balance, or some other source, then I'm leaving, or if I'm party lead, telling the rest of the party that I'm kicking them.

And NO, learning party =/= blind wipefest, it means you did whatever you could, and looked at any relevant guides or tips BEFORE joining. If there was nothing because it's Day 1 of savage, that's fine, but there are still streams and vods from World Proggers on that.

[Seraphor]

And we can't help it if you don't want to enjoy your videogames and would rather treat them like an assignment.
If the shoe is on the other foot, and you're the one whinging about about another player having not carried out hours of research into how they would like to correctly coordinate their leisure time for optimum efficiency in my party, then you're the one getting kicked.

And NO, blind =/= wipefest. It means a few acceptable wipes to learn the mechanics, like any content.
If you can't stand to wipe a couple of times, then you're playing the wrong game.

[Jimmymagic]

Another one of these threads...mercy

Look I've been playing rpps for a long time. For each game since the playstation era had "strategy guides" or what my friends and I called "cheat book".

Why because they told you every detail to come and spoilers. Fitted description on most if not all encounters.

Now guides are online, and much like the books are a terrible way to play a game for the first time.

Youtube guides tend to be poorly made, incorrect info or not clear enough. So, of course everyone is like "just google it!" really, so you play a game you want all the answer to before you play it in spite of being an mmorpg that is suppose to promote collaboration BETWEEN PLAYERS to complete duties.

The typical response I've been getting is "your entitled to get answers for a duty", however the same person who has judged me for asking for mech on a duty expects me to run it there way and know all the in and outs. What a massive contrary forum.

This just in everyone time is valuable. But I am not responsible for your time on Duty Finder.

There are solutions to this Vote Kick or leave. You don't want go with noobs on a run use PF. Please stop telling new people to not ask question because your annoyed. Gets some humility and stop opening up threads like this.

[Aurelius2625]

It's not an "assignment" it's called being responsible, something a lot of people can't fathom having. I guess being a tank main, it's natural for me to do this, but this is a social game, people have made guides for everything.

Like, on the Balance, they have guides for all of the jobs, where you can do maximum dps. If people don't look at this guides, or something, they will not meet dps checks in raids, wasting other people's time.

But, like I said, mediocre people that can't clear to save their life have only themselves to blame when more skilled players/raiders leave them behind. Take responsibility, then most will be able to help you.

"God helps those who helps themselves" .

Again, don't get mad, if you are, it's only at some inability to optimize. And honestly, please feel free to kick me, it's your right after all. When I'm tanking, we're pulling wall to wall and I'm hitting sprint the moment the boss is dead, pulling max an being in dps stance for almost all the way. It's how I roll, figuring out how to not be deadweight to my party.

If more people took this approach, we wouldn't be even having this discussion right now. But again, for casual content, it's w/e. It doesn't matter I guess.

"I know this is a clear party, but I REALLY want to experience this fight for myself! Please guys! Let me experience it fresh! I wanna see what his enrage looks like so I didn't bother looking up the last three minutes of critical time!~"

INSTANTLY KICKED! xD