Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[zeylos]

With this I think it's more likely SE will make the other genders eventually if limitations before the next expansion is the main issue. That is, if the backlash is great enough. And, as of now, it seems like it is. I mean, people unsubing etc. There are literary 0 lore reason not to include them.

I agree with you completely.
There hasn't really ever been more backlash than that of the backlash for the missing genders (other than 1.0 obviously lol) so I think that they might include them for 6.0. I'm quite possitive we will get them sometime, the question is when

[Jin-]

considering a woman on their society can demand that all men start wearing the housemaid apron and never leave their houses

Now now. Matriarch society does not mean that the Hrothgar men are like beta/soy humans. You just made that up.

[zeylos]

Now now. Matriarch society does not mean that the Hrothgar men are like beta/soy humans. You just made that up.

They say that the hrotgar live to catter to their queen's needs : 'the people's lives all but revolved arround the queen's needs' from the shadowbringers page

[Lauront]

Yes but given their physical prowess those needs are probably military in nature. Part of the problem is the diffuse meanings "matriarchal" has. For example, Viera society is matriarchal simply because the adult males don't stick around the villages, as they're protecting the forests, so the women run the villages by default - the men don't bother with it because it does not really concern them, as their duties take them elsewhere. Hrothgar are called "matriarchal" simply because they currently have a Queen. Neither, however, is matriarchal in the sense that women, in general, have some position of power over the males or, for that matter, in the less loaded meaning, that they would generally be the heads of households. In Viera's case, simply because they're not organised along those lines and in Hrothgar's case because it's never stated anywhere.

I am pretty sure if the Queen dies and a King takes her place, it will revolve around him. Unless, of course, she's immortal or something.

My point is I wouldn't take matriarchal to mean the women enjoy superior political power to the males by default. The Green Word is ultimately what governs the Viera in truth, not so much one sex or the other.

[zeylos]

Yes but given their physical prowess those needs are probably military in nature. Part of the problem is the diffuse meanings "matriarchal" has. For example, Viera society is matriarchal simply because the adult males don't stick around the villages, as they're protecting the forests, so the women run the villages by default - the men don't bother with it because it does not really concern them, as their duties take them elsewhere. Hrothgar are called "matriarchal" simply because they currently have a Queen. Neither, however, is matriarchal in the sense that women, in general, have some position of power over the males or, for that matter, in the less loaded meaning, that they would generally be the heads of households. In Viera's case, simply because they're not organised along those lines and in Hrothgar's case because it's never stated anywhere.

I am pretty sure if the Queen dies and a King takes her place, it will revolve around him. Unless, of course, she's immortal or something.

My point is I wouldn't take matriarchal to mean the women enjoy superior political power to the males by default. The Green Word is ultimately what governs the Viera in truth, not so much one sex or the other.

Perhaps that is another way to look at it. The point I meant to do is, female hrotgar, at the time our character is living, seems to be the rulers

[Lauront]

Just one - the Queen. Note that The Lost lore indicates it's a question of who the reigning monarch is. There's nothing to suggest it must be female.

[zeylos]

Just one - the Queen. Note that The Lost lore indicates it's a question of who the reigning monarch is. There's nothing to suggest it must be female.

Well, that's one way to look at it I guess I personally like the hrotgar lore to be matriarchal

[WhiteArchmage]

As for viera, in FFTA viera is nothing more than a dream race and male viera don't exist (in fact, I believe EVERY single race was genderlocked there, even humans). In FFXII, which is where the lore of the Viera should be taken from, the onyl reason why we don't see male viera is that they live spearately from the females, and they were planned for the second part of the game I believe, but Matsuno left before their implementation. In FFXIV's lore, male viera are protectors of the forest, and cosnidering the reason why female viera left the wood, It would make more sense for the viera to be male onyl lore wise, due to the fact that the males are the ones who live closer to other societies.

Indeed! The only other female playable character (in FFTA), Ritz, is treated as a Viera in gameplay-terms, only able to switch between Viera jobs (Mewt, although unplayable, is treated as a Nu Mou...which you'd never know were smaller than moogles going by TA/2, because of the sprites). TA2 did it better by allowing Adel and Frimelda to switch between Human jobs even if the game otherwise treats them as female, and although female Seeqs and Bangaa show up in TA2, none are playable in the way that the game will recognize them as such (by Al-Cid's Agent skillset or the Law system). Point being: going by TA in gender-locking races is a non-issue. :P

[Sathona]

Another issue is while other companies can do the gear transitions on new races etc automatically,SE is one of those that cant.
Imo if they could code the armors/glams automatically and not manually it would save them a huge amount of time~

[niteypants]

Another issue is while other companies can do the gear transitions on new races etc automatically,SE is one of those that cant.
Imo if they could code the armors/glams automatically and not manually it would save them a huge amount of time~

It's not quite automatic but the skeletons and meshes are designed together in such a manner that morphing is not near as labor intensive as Yoshi-p makes it. I'm not sure why it is for FFXIV -- neither the armor or the animations are very complex and frankly a lot of the armor is iterative.