Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[zeylos]

Well, there is a difference between creating only 1 gender in a 2 gender race (gender lock due to limitation, etc) and creating a 1 gender race, in lore. To say that no one likes the latter or don't care is demonstrably false. It's rather arrogant to simply assert that it's not interesting. In the case of FF14 the reason for gender locking (there are 2 genders in lore I guess, haven't checked) is due to limitation; that seems correct. Do we know anything about the lore? Perhaps SE will work the lore around the limitations to make it sound smart. You know, kinda like in FF11.

Lol, imagine if they make the lore like "..there are only female Viera", but then, after a while, cater to the backlash from the community. SE then have to make up some b******t lore why male Viera now exists. No, if the gender lock is in place even SE isn't dumb enough to not make room, in lore, for the other gender to exist ("male Viera have hiden underground for a 1000 years" or something lol). This is one of the reasons, I think, why the lore in mainstream MMOs like FF14 is so vague and all over the place. They need room in case of X because Y people could be unhappy, and we still need them to be happy, so we do Z because we need X now, in order for Y to be happy while still keeping the W people happy too.

Yeah, at least for lore reasons I honestly don't care what SE do. I'm guessing they will eventually make these races 2 genders if the backlash is hard enough. So to anyone who really don't like this decision, it's just to keep up the posts and threads.

The lore states that: Hrotgar is a matriarchal society on where everyone lives to catter to the needs of their queen (20% of hrotgar are female) which basically means that if they HAD to genderlock hrotgar it would makem uch more sense for them to be female only, considering a woman on their society can demand that all men start wearing the housemaid apron and never leave their houses, and all men in their society would most likely do so, with the other clan being the hrotgar who no longer serve the queen, but women still exist. As for viera, in FFTA viera is nothing more than a dream race and male viera don't exist (in fact, I believe EVERY single race was genderlocked there, even humans). In FFXII, which is where the lore of the Viera should be taken from, the onyl reason why we don't see male viera is that they live spearately from the females, and they were planned for the second part of the game I believe, but Matsuno left before their implementation. In FFXIV's lore, male viera are protectors of the forest, and cosnidering the reason why female viera left the wood, It would make more sense for the viera to be male onyl lore wise, due to the fact that the males are the ones who live closer to other societies.

[Guesswhat]

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With this I think it's more likely SE will make the other genders eventually if limitations before the next expansion is the main issue. That is, if the backlash is great enough. And, as of now, it seems like it is. I mean, people unsubing etc. There are literary 0 lore reason not to include them.

[zeylos]

With this I think it's more likely SE will make the other genders eventually if limitations before the next expansion is the main issue. That is, if the backlash is great enough. And, as of now, it seems like it is. I mean, people unsubing etc. There are literary 0 lore reason not to include them.

I agree with you completely.
There hasn't really ever been more backlash than that of the backlash for the missing genders (other than 1.0 obviously lol) so I think that they might include them for 6.0. I'm quite possitive we will get them sometime, the question is when

[Jin-]

considering a woman on their society can demand that all men start wearing the housemaid apron and never leave their houses

Now now. Matriarch society does not mean that the Hrothgar men are like beta/soy humans. You just made that up.

[zeylos]

Now now. Matriarch society does not mean that the Hrothgar men are like beta/soy humans. You just made that up.

They say that the hrotgar live to catter to their queen's needs : 'the people's lives all but revolved arround the queen's needs' from the shadowbringers page

[WhiteArchmage]

As for viera, in FFTA viera is nothing more than a dream race and male viera don't exist (in fact, I believe EVERY single race was genderlocked there, even humans). In FFXII, which is where the lore of the Viera should be taken from, the onyl reason why we don't see male viera is that they live spearately from the females, and they were planned for the second part of the game I believe, but Matsuno left before their implementation. In FFXIV's lore, male viera are protectors of the forest, and cosnidering the reason why female viera left the wood, It would make more sense for the viera to be male onyl lore wise, due to the fact that the males are the ones who live closer to other societies.

Indeed! The only other female playable character (in FFTA), Ritz, is treated as a Viera in gameplay-terms, only able to switch between Viera jobs (Mewt, although unplayable, is treated as a Nu Mou...which you'd never know were smaller than moogles going by TA/2, because of the sprites). TA2 did it better by allowing Adel and Frimelda to switch between Human jobs even if the game otherwise treats them as female, and although female Seeqs and Bangaa show up in TA2, none are playable in the way that the game will recognize them as such (by Al-Cid's Agent skillset or the Law system). Point being: going by TA in gender-locking races is a non-issue. :P

[Veis_Alveare]

Indeed! The only other female playable character (in FFTA), Ritz, is treated as a Viera in gameplay-terms, only able to switch between Viera jobs (Mewt, although unplayable, is treated as a Nu Mou...which you'd never know were smaller than moogles going by TA/2, because of the sprites). TA2 did it better by allowing Adel and Frimelda to switch between Human jobs even if the game otherwise treats them as female, and although female Seeqs and Bangaa show up in TA2, none are playable in the way that the game will recognize them as such (by Al-Cid's Agent skillset or the Law system). Point being: going by TA in gender-locking races is a non-issue. :P

I get where you're going with this and your post made me really nostalgic for ffta but Ritz was also treated as a Viera likely because she was living amongst them in that reality. She had Shara as her Montblanc-type guide to things and since Viera are more reclusive when it comes to dealing with other races until she joins the party it stands to reason she only experienced fighting alongside other Viera. I think her being female might have made those Viera accept her more easily but I don't think it's as simple as the game treats any female as Viera.

[WhiteArchmage]

I get where you're going with this and your post made me really nostalgic for ffta but Ritz was also treated as a Viera likely because she was living amongst them in that reality. She had Shara as her Montblanc-type guide to things and since Viera are more reclusive when it comes to dealing with other races until she joins the party it stands to reason she only experienced fighting alongside other Viera. I think her being female might have made those Viera accept her more easily but I don't think it's as simple as the game treats any female as Viera.

That may be the lore reason, I was specifically mentioning gameplay terms (mostly because, y'know, relating it to how zeylos mentions all races are gender-locked in TA lol). In-game, we only ever see Ritz with Shara or her all-Viera clan (before the side-quest where she'll finally join Marche), so how she's treated lore-wise is besides the point (Shara does say Ritz holds "the gift of the Viera", whatever that means, so there IS some sort or lore-reason). Mostly by technical limitations of the GBA, perhaps the only way the game could treat Ritz as female for gameplay (Laws, mostly) would be to sort her into the only "female" slot: Viera. In gameplay terms: Ritz summons the Viera Totema (Exodus) and changes into Viera jobs (Fencer, Elementalist...).

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Honestly, the sooner they develop a way to automate the process (w/ QA review of course), the quicker everyone else who doesn't want male Viera/female Hrothgar can get muscle sliders/butt sliders/Chunky Cats. As it stands now, there seems to be no room for any other body type than the 1 each race/gender has.

Honestly, if we get fatqo'tes before the missing genders, I'm gonna be SO mad.