Housing Timer why x.x

[Sitallik]

Everyone got their house by working out it, whether they have 1 or ten. For some people housing is all they do. Just cuz it frustrates you doesn't mean its wrong. It takes a lot of time and gil to buy and decorate a house. If someone wants to put their resources into it, let them.

There is only a few who were able to get those houses. Now nobody can do that anymore. Equal rules for all! And no, it's not fair if a few hoard the very limited resources and make it impossible for others to get them.

[MizArai]

There is only a few who were able to get those houses. Now nobody can do that anymore. Equal rules for all! And no, it's not fair if a few hoard the very limited resources and make it impossible for others to get them.

Does it matter that when most people gathered their multiple houses, it wasn't really a limited resource on their server? Most people I know who own multiple houses (that were grandfathered in) chose what were dead servers. There was one point in time when I debated transferring to Goblin because there were about a dozen large houses open, many at the lowest price possible (some were in the Mist which is my favorite zone and where I wanted a large house). (Goblin is not like that anymore. I don't know of any NA server like that anymore. FFXIV has grown tremendously since then.) Was it really wrong of people to see all these empty houses and buy them and use them? Especially since there were still plenty of houses for anyone else? It's not fair to judge people who did nothing wrong as harshly as many of you do. And taking away houses that people worked hard to get isn't right. And taking away houses that people worked hard to get will not fix the housing situation at all. It would barely even be a band-aid.

[Penthea]

Does it matter that when most people gathered their multiple houses, it wasn't really a limited resource on their server? Most people I know who own multiple houses (that were grandfathered in) chose what were dead servers.

It's a limited resource on every server, and every server has the potential to become very active. No excuses.

[MizArai]

It's a limited resource on every server, and every server has the potential to become very active. No excuses.

When half of the houses on a server were empty (as in not purchased) and most with prices bottomed out, I would argue that it's not a limited resource. It doesn't matter that there are/were only a set number. There are many servers that sat with housing wards empty for years. Just because they finally filled up doesn't mean that we should take things away from people who did nothing wrong.

[Penthea]

When half of the houses on a server were empty (as in not purchased) and most with prices bottomed out, I would argue that it's not a limited resource.

So what you're saying is if a shop has 100 books and no one buys any for months or years this means the shop actually has an unlimited supply of books? Somehow 100 unused things becomes an infinite amount of unused things? Right. Sure.

It doesn't matter that there are/were only a set number.

Tell that to everyone on Mateus trying to get a house while two players own an entire ward.

There are many servers that sat with housing wards empty for years. Just because they finally filled up doesn't mean that we should take things away from people who did nothing wrong.

Being able to do something isn't the same as that something automatically being okay to do.

I could kick everyone out of my fc right now without a word, keep the millions in the fc chest that many of them contributed to, and it wouldn't be against the ToS. But would I be wrong in kicking them with zero warning and keep all the gil to myself? Absolutely. Would it negatively impact other players despite not being against the ToS? Definitely.

[MizArai]

So what you're saying is if a shop has 100 books and no one buys any for months or years this means the shop actually has an unlimited supply of books? Somehow 100 unused things becomes an infinite amount of unused things? Right. Sure.

Mathematically speaking, yes. If no one is buying any of those hundred books than effectively those hundred books are the equivalent of an infinite source since they will never run out.

Tell that to everyone on Mateus trying to get a house while two players own an entire ward.

To everyone on Mateus, I'm super sorry that you showed up to a previously dead server where people had decided to buy a whole ward for their personal decoration enjoyment. If only you had decided to transfer sooner (like those 2 did) instead of waiting for a free transfer to leave Balmung in hopes of getting a nice home of your own.

To everyone on Gilgamesh who has to compete with Mew and whatever other FC, I'm super impressed that these FCs were able to purchase so many plots considering the server size, especially if Mew really did acquire all of their extra houses after 4.2. To be able to accomplish such a feat on such a highly populated server is quite an accomplishment. It really does suck that our limited housing is impacted by it, but I still have to be impressed by what they've done.

To people on all the servers that I've missed (I know Leviathan used to have an FC with quite a few houses and still might, I haven't heard about them in a few years now), I'm sorry that our limited housing in game is impacted by what a very few people/ FCs have done; however, as a whole multiple house owners, even considering the extreme examples on Mateus and Gilgamesh, should only account for about 5-6% of the housing on a server. That's adding in a lot of extras. (That means only 5 or 6 of those 100 books are the people you complain about. Please stop trying to make them seem like the devil, as most of the houses on any server are owned by single house owners.)

Being able to do something isn't the same as that something automatically being okay to do.

I could kick everyone out of my fc right now without a word, keep the millions in the fc chest that many of them contributed to, and it wouldn't be against the ToS. But would I be wrong in kicking them with zero warning and keep all the gil to myself? Absolutely. Would it negatively impact other players despite not being against the ToS? Definitely.

Pretty sure that kicking everyone out of your FC for no reason is considered griefing and a reportable offense. I know for a fact it's griefing and reportable if you kick everyone to sell your FC. The part about doing it just to steal from everyone is what might make it a grey area in the rules of the game.

Flip side of that is my personal experience. I was an officer in an FC. I donated 35 mil to the FC chest to help the FC be able to buy a mansion when Shirogane came out. FC changed leaders. I didn't like the new leader, at all. And I didn't realize until about an hour before I left the FC (after a few months of putting up with tons of toxicity) that the new leader had changed permissions for the FC chest, so even though I was an officer and "trusted" I would not be able to get any of the gil back that I had put in the chest (under the old FC leader back when I had faith in the FC) to help the new FC I'd be joining. It sucked. But sometimes set backs happen in life. And I had no one to blame but myself for putting my faith in a group of people I new from a game. The real kicker is the new FC leader eventually kicked everyone out of the FC and "gave it" to a "irl friend" of hers (that she had/ has never played with in game before or since). Funny how she seemed to have tons of gil after she "gave away" the FC and the house.

[mjorge1991]

To everyone on Gilgamesh who has to compete with Mew and whatever other FC, I'm super impressed that these FCs were able to purchase so many plots considering the server size, especially if Mew really did acquire all of their extra houses after 4.2. To be able to accomplish such a feat on such a highly populated server is quite an accomplishment. It really does suck that our limited housing is impacted by it, but I still have to be impressed by what they've done.

Honestly i agree with many of your points. The only thing don''t agree with is the fact the people like Mew have gotten so many houses and basically are not doing anything with it. Trust me, i understand that per the game rules they are not doing anything against the rules and technically this falls on Square Enix. That being said, that does not mean i have to like a person that buys 20 houses just to brag about it. If they were being used i honestly wouldn't care. But when you get 20 houses and basically don't do anything with them and just brag about the fact. It feels like a slap in the face to people that are trying extremely hard to find even a small house in Goblet.

[Penthea]

Mathematically speaking, yes. If no one is buying any of those hundred books than effectively those hundred books are the equivalent of an infinite source since they will never run out..

...lol what?

So I have two hands...and because they will never "run out" this means that mathematically speaking I have an infinite number of hands? So...I guess I'm technically some weird cosmic spider?

The lengths people go to in order to legitimise house hoarding is absolutely hilarious

are the equivalent of an infinite source since they will never run out..

Those houses on those previously dead servers did run out. So their source is no longer mathematically infinite...which means that the house hoarding can no longer be okay because the houses are now mathematically a finite source.

So you just basically argued against yourself. Well done.