Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[zeylos]

All the stuff you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about, if you wish to sit disillusioned that SE couldn’t possibly do the same very thing they did before when it came to a similar situation as this, then by all means, continue to sit disillusioned.

All I am saying is that given what happened before and how things are currently being handled, this added with the live letter we have been give, leads to a huge possibility that the same thing can happen again.

What huge possibility? Seioursly, just what is the base for all these ppl saying they'll only add NPCS? FFXI? I'd like someone to explain it to me because I don't get it. If what they were going to do was only add NPCs they would have not said anything about any models. The NPCS would most likely be here in 5.0, considering it takes them pretty much no time to make 1 or 2 NPCS

[zeylos]

This is true, just because Male Viera aren't added doesn't mean that it's going to be like WoD. WoD's issue was straight up the fact that it lacked any content, the fact that they lied and said it was going to be a "yearly" expansion that lasted two years. Still remember the whole "Biggest content patch yet!" and it was the darn Selfie Camera, and that's it, that was the entire content patch.

Alright I didn't mean this expansion won't have any content. I simply said that due to some decision in many aspects of the game I personally, got a feeling, without any sort of proof that it's going to be our worse expac till now, and what I heard about WoD was simply that it was bad. Obviously the expac will have content, but my fear is that the actual content is not good

[zeylos]

Snip.

I actually think all of your points there are valid, but I think that you missed on two of them.

The dact you said they cant throw more money at it, like it has already been demonstrated at this thread by people that work on the industry, is simply not true. If they wanted, they could use more money to hire more ppl which would mean that regardless of having 2 new models they'd still be able to handle the pach cycle. Then, like I said, there is a reason why they went for female viera instead of the full hrotgar race, and that is profits.
Let's face it, viera add absolutely nothing to the game, and in the end, they are the same thing as the other races, humans with animal/special ears, but they will be popular and obviously make tons of fantasia sales. We have no way on knwoing how popular the hrotgar will be, but regardless, if what they really cared was the world building, we would have gotten male and female hrotgar.

[reivaxe]

I actually think all of your points there are valid, but I think that you missed on two of them.

The dact you said they cant throw more money at it, like it has already been demonstrated at this thread by people that work on the industry, is simply not true.

Imma disregard my "no snips" rule cause this is just too silly.

Who here works at SE and knows whats what?

Cause it's easy to sit here and think you can solve any problem by throwing money at it but it's not so cut and dry. It could be that it doesn't matter if they hire more people or not, the time it takes to over see and quality correct everything wont go down and will only increase causing set backs and delays to content. Or it could be that they would literally be employing more people to their team for GOOD to make up for giving fans a cosmetic choice that was not needed. This could very easily be a fat "NO" on list of reasons to add to the budget or use said budget when they may need that money to go towards other things that need new hires. Hiring more people just for this kinda stuff instead of other departments could slow down content.

You don't know, I don't know, WE don't know so you can either trust his words on it or go tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and not trust him. If you don't want to trust the man's words on it then there's really no conversation to be had ... cause now we're talking head canon and can't trust real world addresses to the problem. Like, what's the play here? If he's just saying BS and just doesn't want to do it then it's not gonna happen no matter how much you whine that they can just throw money at the problem to make it go away so might as well let it go. If you take his world for it then maybe you keep hope alive that they will find away around all these things that stop them from doing it.

Then, like I said, there is a reason why they went for female viera instead of the full hrotgar race, and that is profits.
Let's face it, viera add absolutely nothing to the game, and in the end, they are the same thing as the other races, humans with animal/special ears, but they will be popular and obviously make tons of fantasia sales. We have no way on knwoing how popular the hrotgar will be, but regardless, if what they really cared was the world building, we would have gotten male and female hrotgar.

They picked Viera because people like ME have been begging for them for years. Since before Scaley Peeps.
You do know how silly that sounds, right? "They added a race (an action to please fans and give them new ways to express themselves) that's been the most asked for as part of their FINAL RACE addition! SEE! Clearly they do this for PROFIT!".

You could read the interviews where Yoshi says that people world wide also wanted Viera and they wanted to add them for those fans. How they didn't want to let them down again after the last time. Where it basically sounds like they felt that they HAD to do it cause other wise there would be no Viera at all for these people.

But nope, lets get a roll of tinfoil. (He credits the players request for a beastly race after the Lupin as reason for them doing Hrothgar BTW. Like, that's why you add races to a game like this. It's for the fans, it gives players more options to express themselves. Like, why would they add a race that they don't think anyone wants? )

[Alleo]

I think ppl should remember the main reason we got female Viera is because they were adding Fran to a raid

The thing is that they even said that they knew that adding Fran but no playable female Viera would just cause backlash thus they decided that if they use her then they have to make the race too. Which is my point: If you use the missing genders then dont turn around, say that we as players wont ever get to play them and be surprised at the storm you just released with that.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Male Viera is required. I need my subby bunny boy harem.

[Krotoan]

The thing is that they even said that they knew that adding Fran but no playable female Viera would just cause backlash thus they decided that if they use her then they have to make the race too. Which is my point: If you use the missing genders then dont turn around, say that we as players wont ever get to play them and be surprised at the storm you just released with that.

Did they? I don't remember it.. but I haven't watched all the fanfests.

[reivaxe]

Did they? I don't remember it.. but I haven't watched all the fanfests.

Seems to me that the choice to add Fran to the game was the result of choosing to make Viera playable, as it would be a great intro to the race.

Would love a source on that though. Sounds like a mighty bold claim.

[Alleo]

Did they? I don't remember it.. but I haven't watched all the fanfests.

They said that Hrothgar (with both genders) was first but then were uncertain because Viera was wanted too and because Fran would be part of the raid they decided to give us female Vieras instead of female Hrothgar.

But of course I might remember this wrong but in my mind this was one point which was discussed abit when the talk happened of "who will we do first".

Edit:

Well I have looked at different sides and searched a bit and the only information about that was an interview where he stated that Viera came first and then he told the raid designer that they can put Fran in. Its really a bit confusing because in that interview they said that they 100% wanted to do Viera while other interviews make it sound like they wanted to do a beast race but knew that people would want to have Viera too thus decided to at least give them female ones..

In the end even just with this interview it was kinda hinted that Fran was only used because they decided to do the Viera race.

https://gamerescape.com/2019/03/29/f...-of-the-press/

Q: When did you decide to make Viera and Hrothgar?

Yoshida: The decision was made 3 months after the release of 4.0, I think. That’s the timing when it was decided that Viera is the next race 100%. Because of that I was able to tell Matsuno-san that if he wanted to put Fran into the Return to Ivalice raid, he could. [...]

[Krotoan]

They said that Hrothgar (with both genders) was first but then were uncertain because Viera was wanted too and because Fran would be part of the raid they decided to give us female Vieras instead of female Hrothgar.

But of course I might remember this wrong but in my mind this was one point which was discussed abit when the talk happened of "who will we do first".

Edit:

Well I have looked at different sides and searched a bit and the only information about that was an interview where he stated that Viera came first and then he told the raid designer that they can put Fran in. Its really a bit confusing because in that interview they said that they 100% wanted to do Viera while other interviews make it sound like they wanted to do a beast race but knew that people would want to have Viera too thus decided to at least give them female ones..

In the end even just with this interview it was kinda hinted that Fran was only used because they decided to do the Viera race.

https://gamerescape.com/2019/03/29/f...-of-the-press/

Q: When did you decide to make Viera and Hrothgar?

Yoshida: The decision was made 3 months after the release of 4.0, I think. That’s the timing when it was decided that Viera is the next race 100%. Because of that I was able to tell Matsuno-san that if he wanted to put Fran into the Return to Ivalice raid, he could. [...]

So.. Cart before the horse there. We got fran because they were making Viera. Not Viera because they had fran.

It's a little nit picky, but I think that's an important point. Fran was a result, not a cause. Especially as she was a fully realized and unique model using NPC rather than a slapped together one-and-done.