Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

And i am not making part of them, in fact i have thumb up this topic when he was created, but you look like someone who making a lot of presumption, and you miss something a lot of people missing in this topic: pragmatism

I don't mean to engage you in bad faith, but when you come in a 450+ page topic and claim most posters are in denial, it's going to raise some eyebrows. For the most part, discussion here has been respectful and constructive. It's not like we've not listened to what Yoshida has said. It's more that there's aspects to it that are up for debate, which is what we're doing. Also, the devs have emphatically not closed off the option. It is pending further review, as it was before. So I appreciate that you support the addition of male Viera, but dropping an out of context comment like that is going to lead some to think you're a troll, which I assume you're not.

[zeylos]

And i am not making part of them, in fact i have thumb up this topic when he was created, but you look like someone who making a lot of presumption, and you miss something a lot of people missing in this topic: pragmatism

So you want male viera yet come to the male viera thread and tell us we are in denial and need to get to acceptance that there won't be any?
Interesting to say the least.
Like I said, I don't mind ppl not wanting the missing genders (would be quite hyproquite of me to do) in fact, in my FC we have had super interesting disscusions as to why or why not to add them. In the end, as long as you are respectfull, your feedback is valid.
That being said, I don't realyl consider copy pasting the 5 stages of pain is any feedback

[WhiteArchmage]

To be clear, I don't think Eureka is bad in principle. They just need to get the formula right, and they've come closer to this than ever with Pyros and Hydatos. However, splitting it over 4 elements and tying so many outfits to it (admittedly, at player request), has probably led to it consuming much more time than it otherwise sh/would. Its uptake is pretty decent in Japan and I think if it had not started on such a poor footing, it'd be even higher. People still stay away from it due to the rep Pagos has. Personally, I find it a lot easier, more convenient and fun than prior relic grinds. I definitely agree though that the focus should be on content of a high standard. Maintaining the current patch cycle may even mean sacrificing some content, so the better stuff can receive more attention.

I feel at this point new TYPES of content may be the wrong way to go further into the expansion cycles. Diadem was interesting the first time, then Diadem 2.0 was... not, Eureka was a throwback to XI and it's controversial, to say the least (my ex absolutely loves it, even if he complains about BA, I haven't even unlocked mounts in ANEMOS, it's the first time I haven't done a relic), not to mention Eureka had a very troubled production, with Anemos releasing incredibly late in the expansion. PotD is fun, as is HoH, but they're side content to the game at large... which is kind of the problem: there's a lot of SIDE content.

So for regular content you have MSQ, dungeons, and raids (8 and 24-man). Then side content is PvP, Gold Saucer, housing, BLU and future limited jobs, Eureka, Deep Dungeon, Ultimate trials, crafting/gathering... I'm not agains thte side content, of course (except locking relic behind Eureka, maybe limited jobs), but adding a new type of content every expansion and bringing it back for the next ones is a recipe for madness: there's gonna be a point when the devs have way too much on their plates to keep the content cycle going. BLU will reach lvl60, then more stages of Masked Carnival, then, say, BST is another limited job, so there's more content to make to play BST, while they're trying to balance the relic quest, more Eureka-type content, new Deep Dungeon, new GS attractions... no matter how much or little development time each uses, it's eventually going to add up and be too much.

At this point the best thing would be to either increase the development time between patches, getting a bigger team (including designers, QA, etc.), or focusing on a more limited, more polished, amount of content

[BastienWyngarden]

While not an ideal fix, if they wanted to implement male viera for us, they could use existing skeletons: make a few faces as would normally be the case, then use an au ra body for one clan, and a miqote body for the other clan. Or something to that effect. They wouldn’t have to adjust any armors, as they’re already fitted for these bodies.

[Lauront]

I was more against the genderlock in général than for the male vieira themselves, but what have become the discutions on this subject after, have making me sick, because of all this entitlement and the other agenda gently push in it.

So yeah i have given to me the right to "bump" you all a little when i see how out of réality you looks like in your echo chamber.

You have change someone who was for them into someone kinda pleased that this shitshow will finaly take an end.

You have 4 stage to go for it, and now rather than talking to walls, i will just playing the game.

Sorry but who are you even referring to at this point? Most people received the letter rather well. I'm still playing the game, too. Not sure what it has to do with anything.

I feel at this point new TYPES of content may be the wrong way to go further into the expansion cycles. Diadem was interesting the first time, then Diadem 2.0 was... not, Eureka was a throwback to XI and it's controversial, to say the least (my ex absolutely loves it, even if he complains about BA, I haven't even unlocked mounts in ANEMOS, it's the first time I haven't done a relic), not to mention Eureka had a very troubled production, with Anemos releasing incredibly late in the expansion. PotD is fun, as is HoH, but they're side content to the game at large... which is kind of the problem: there's a lot of SIDE content.

So for regular content you have MSQ, dungeons, and raids (8 and 24-man). Then side content is PvP, Gold Saucer, housing, BLU and future limited jobs, Eureka, Deep Dungeon, Ultimate trials, crafting/gathering... I'm not agains thte side content, of course (except locking relic behind Eureka, maybe limited jobs), but adding a new type of content every expansion and bringing it back for the next ones is a recipe for madness: there's gonna be a point when the devs have way too much on their plates to keep the content cycle going. BLU will reach lvl60, then more stages of Masked Carnival, then, say, BST is another limited job, so there's more content to make to play BST, while they're trying to balance the relic quest, more Eureka-type content, new Deep Dungeon, new GS attractions... no matter how much or little development time each uses, it's eventually going to add up and be too much.

At this point the best thing would be to either increase the development time between patches, getting a bigger team (including designers, QA, etc.), or focusing on a more limited, more polished, amount of content

Agreed, especially on the last bit. I don't fundamentally have any issue with Eureka, PoTD or ultimates, or even occasional GS content, but again, it should all be viewed through a cost/benefit lens. The first 3 represent content that probably would come out favourably on such an analysis, if implemented efficiently. The same goes for the requested mythic type dungeons. It's all down to how they do it. There are ways they could de-couple the relic grind from Eureka, and just make it the most efficient path to doing so, as well as tying some stuff, like emotes, behind it.

Limited jobs? I don't mean to go into the topic of BLU too much, but if that is any indication of what they're going to be like and how much effort is going to be diverted for their sake, I'd have to say no thanks. My biggest desire is enhanced character customisation and graphics, good new abilities and reworks where required, and thirdly, the addition of the missing genders.

[Quipsy]

Speaking as someone who loves Frontline (particularly shatter) bunches and bunches, I wouldn't mind if PvP went untouched for a while. Not very many people like it and those that do settle into a rhythm that they don't like disrupted. (See: The two-week period after the data center shuffle where things were thoroughly unenjoyable because everyone was thrown off by the dispersion of regulars and playstyles weren't meshing.) I can't speak for everyone, particularly people who are into other modes like RW, but I'd gladly trade tweaking of things here (unless there's a particularly glaring problem) for patches that are meatier on the main game side of things. Side dishes are always good, but the focal point of every meal is a delectable and hefty main course, whatever it may be.

I'd rather see a big, juicy, greasy burger loaded with toppings then like... a McDouble with two orders of large fries.

[rachcouture]

Speaking as someone who loves Frontline (particularly shatter) bunches and bunches, I wouldn't mind if PvP went untouched for a while. Not very many people like it and those that do settle into a rhythm that they don't like disrupted. (See: The two-week period after the data center shuffle where things were thoroughly unenjoyable because everyone was thrown off by the dispersion of regulars and playstyles weren't meshing.) I can't speak for everyone, particularly people who are into other modes like RW, but I'd gladly trade tweaking of things here (unless there's a particularly glaring problem) for patches that are meatier on the main game side of things. Side dishes are always good, but the focal point of every meal is a delectable and hefty main course, whatever it may be.

I'd rather see a big, juicy, greasy burger loaded with toppings then like... a McDouble with two orders of large fries.

As someone that also enjoys the terribly flawed PvP, I would be okay with this, too.

[zeylos]

I just saw a YouTube video and I am starting to really don't get what ffxiv answer was(if an answer at all) it's basically not only the same we were given at jp, but it's change if words makes ppl think it either means we are for sure getting then, or that the letter was the nail on the coffin to the subject. I honestly just think they should have given an actual response, considering I'm quite sure they already know what they are going to do. I guess we will still have to wait for an actual response. I expect them to perhaps give it on live letter, but who knows at this point

[WhiteArchmage]

I just saw a YouTube video and I am starting to really don't get what ffxiv answer was(if an answer at all) it's basically not only the same we were given at jp, but it's change if words makes ppl think it either means we are for sure getting then, or that the letter was the nail on the coffin to the subject. I honestly just think they should have given an actual response, considering I'm quite sure they already know what they are going to do. I guess we will still have to wait for an actual response. I expect them to perhaps give it on live letter, but who knows at this point

I'm not expecting a straight answer for two big reasons: If it's a positive, the smartest thing would be to announce it close to implementation date to be sure the assets can be delivered timely and to drive up hype (In the case of 6.0, JP or EU Fan Fests, close to expansion drop). If it's a negative, it would...well, proverbial <kupo> hitting the fan, not good for PR.

[LunaFancy]

Just nod and move on ladies and gents, nod and move on.

Though hilariously enough, I actually dislike ERP - makes me cringe. But I'm not going to throw folk under the bus for liking it. As for being 'Gay' - nah man. I'm a hot-blooded female who just appreciates some good old eye candy. Why can't the female have something to gawk at? But, seriously - even though what I said was me speaking the truth on some things - I do understand where the connection is coming from. A lot of folks want to ERP - good for them. I'm not one of them. I just blooming like Viera and wanted to finally see the males after little old lassy me was sobbing when I didn't see any hunks in FF12. I remember seeing the cinematic. Saw those Viera females and was just 'wow' if the females look like this then the males must look like Michelangelo's David. They didn't look like that, because they didn't chuffing show them! Give me my David bunny boi!

Also snowflake generation! Me? LMAO.

Because we don't exist. Or our opinion doesn't matter. Or because "men don't need to be handsome". Or because "all girls love bulky guys" (I would say what I think about bulky guys in reality but okay). Or because any other #9084684 stereotype.
/sarcasm (I wish...)

That's our duty. -claps on the shoulder-
I was seriously asked "You're a girl, why do you play male character" from guys who played females. Their logic was majestic (in bad way).

[QUOTE=KaijinRhada;4978467]While I try not to let it bother me, the irony never escapes me when posed this question myself./QUOTE]

Fistbump to my sisters in arms! I can relate to all of the above lol!

I wasn't planning on fantasiaing my main, but I certainly planned on enjoying the work of those who did... and would likely have made an alt down the track during the expac.

Never give up! Never surrender!