Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[rachcouture]

The post-letter discussion reiterates two feelings of mine on FFXIV:

1. This absurdly tight patch cycle isn't sustainable, nor is it worth trying to maintain when time and resources are wasted on content that is subsequently abandoned by the player base and/or the developers (Diadem, Eureka, Blue Mage, most of the Gold Saucer, PvP, Heaven on High, Squadrons). Meanwhile, class balance is at an all-time low, healers have been disrespected one too many times, and QoL features/graphical fidelity continue to fall behind even f2p competitors. A shift in priority to quality over quantity for the longterm has been long overdue.
2. The development team is in desperate need of new creative blood. Yoshida did a wonderful job saving the game, but the increasingly arrogant nature of his responses to anything outside the status quo over the past year or so paints the picture of someone burnt out, and without direction, or insight into what the game's community really wants.

[WhiteArchmage]

With the exception of it being a part of the storyline (/gasp... there's Male bunny's here and we found them!) That's a no.

Oh, boy, I've misplaced my Lore argument takedown sticky. Cliff notes:
1) The WoL is the ultimate exception to all Lore rules: The one non-padjali White Mage, the one living SCH with powers, one of 2 Azure Dragoons.
2) Viera lore follows Miqo'te Keeper of the Moon lore, which has playable Males, yet only 3 in story and NONE in the MSQ.
3) The availability of a race/gender combination for playable charactes does nothing to the Lore in-story, see Moonkeeper Lore.
4) Unless the Wood branwashes every male in existence, it's insane to think that not one would leave it.
5) Yoshi-P already confirmed it was not a Lore issue but a resource issue.
6) Yoshi-P also confirmed we'll be getting references to mViera fHrothgar in-game, even if we may not see them yet.

[Lauront]

The post-letter discussion reiterates two feelings of mine on FFXIV:

1. This absurdly tight patch cycle isn't sustainable, nor is it worth trying to maintain when time and resources are wasted on content that is subsequently abandoned by the player base and/or the developers (Diadem, Eureka, Blue Mage, most of the Gold Saucer, PvP, Heaven on High, Squadrons). Meanwhile, class balance is at an all-time low, healers have been disrespected one too many times, and QoL features/graphical fidelity continue to fall behind even f2p competitors. A shift in priority to quality over quantity for the longterm has been long overdue.

Agreed. I think they need to identify what they want the game to excel at, which we know is raids and trials, as well as immersive zones and dungeons and of course the MSQ, and start cutting out the stuff that is not value-additive - even the 4.56 MSQ suffered quite badly this time. BLU being a prime example but the other stuff you mentioned also deserve a mention. Eureka, I'm fairly confident they will keep going forward, but no doubt modeled after Pyros/Hydatos, and with less resource-intensive designs.

For example, if leveling is too slow, is a new deep dungeon really necessary? Can't they just extend the way the existing one works to function for higher levels? The patch cycle would be less of an issue itself if it were not for how many areas of split focus there are. Certainly, the graphics should be taking priority over all the things you mention at this stage. Lower gear output is not going to put as many people off as a game that looks visibly dated.

[Crushnight]

Just ignore it. It's clear that certain posters don't care if they are banned, they're just posting to get a reaction - so don't give them one. The thread will be cleaned up in due time, once the moderators deal with the report. I suspect they largely work standard 9-5 hours during weekdays and have a lesser presence on weekends. That's just speculation, though.

Either way, by responding and getting visibly worked up you're just giving the posters what they want - a derailment of the thread and drama.

It isn't worth being maybe locked as well due to the heated responses. Just report, move on. Don't attack them back. It's what they're going for, reddit ff14 salt material. When great mods awaken from their slumber, this thread will be trimmed.

I would advise a calmer approach: by taking his bait and responding as such, you're also risking getting reported and/or banned along with him. Most of the time I'm confronted with such an openly homophobic person who refuses any argument, just realize "he's not worth it", calmly report, block, and let the mods do their job (speaking of, around this time is when a bunch of posts get nuked and I've been reporting since yesterday, they must be extra busy).

Look ik you are trying to look out for me and its appreciated but it really needs to be said modders are not on sorting out the forums 24/7 and new people do join the forums on occasion if they looked at what has been said before modders delete it what impression do you get from this thread with regards to that poster and subsequent replies that you can be openly homophobic use derogatory terms and some people are complacent with it, you may not say it but by asking to just ignore and move on you are allowing/enabling this type of attitude to remain. This poster went beyond being just a troll but to someone who is very sick and it shouldn't be tolerated by this community and when you go and say ignore and move on after what they have said it paints you in a very unfavorable light, if your true goal was to ignore then you should've said nothing and just had a conversation until the mods nuke us but you interjected yourselves into it at a point you shouldn't have, you intentions are good but you worded things wrong this would have fizzled out eventually due to the hard cap on posts (probably the best thing about that cap), I would gladly have my account banned if it could show to people we do not allow such an offensive attitude to remain here in the ffxiv community

[Halivel]

-cries in female-

That's our duty. -claps on the shoulder-
I was seriously asked "You're a girl, why do you play male character" from guys who played females. Their logic was majestic (in bad way).

[grinkdaboy]

fujoshis gonna fujo.

i still think people who argue lore have no leg to stand on, especially considering how SE goes out of their way to enforce gameplay/story segregation. after the events of the final ARR quest, you're free to return and travel uldah as much as you'd like. i think the only thing that changes is the dialogue from the crystal brave npcs in mor dhona.

the explanation for male miqote in 2.0 was literally a single sentence saying that they were going out of their tribe to test their mettle or something

[Gula]

The post-letter discussion reiterates two feelings of mine on FFXIV:

1. This absurdly tight patch cycle isn't sustainable, nor is it worth trying to maintain when time and resources are wasted on content that is subsequently abandoned by the player base and/or the developers (Diadem, Eureka, Blue Mage, most of the Gold Saucer, PvP, Heaven on High, Squadrons). Meanwhile, class balance is at an all-time low, healers have been disrespected one too many times, and QoL features/graphical fidelity continue to fall behind even f2p competitors. A shift in priority to quality over quantity for the longterm has been long overdue.
2. The development team is in desperate need of new creative blood. Yoshida did a wonderful job saving the game, but the increasingly arrogant nature of his responses to anything outside the status quo over the past year or so paints the picture of someone burnt out, and without direction, or insight into what the game's community really wants.

No. No, and no. Just because something is not appealing to what a literal handful of the community is crying out for, does not mean the game isn't working as it should or able to sustain itself. Deadlines are always tight in gaming. Always. Even moreso with triple A titles, which is why patches exist for those too.Dark Souls has them, Indie games have them. Yes their patch times are different, but XIV is literally fine.

Calmato.

[Veis_Alveare]

Just ignore it. It's clear that certain posters don't care if they are banned, they're just posting to get a reaction - so don't give them one. The thread will be cleaned up in due time, once the moderators deal with the report. I suspect they largely work standard 9-5 hours during weekdays and have a lesser presence on weekends. That's just speculation, though.

Either way, by responding and getting visibly worked up you're just giving the posters what they want - a derailment of the thread and drama.

We got 'em! \o/

Sadly my post quoting that guy was also deleted. I should have separated it into two. To reiterate things that I had said...

I'm very much okay with people continuing to request these other genders, by all means go for it but I have seen some people speaking in terms of when instead of if; this is a mistake given the information that we have right now.

Specifically there was one poster who was saying he thought it would be great if they were to release male Viera at some point during the 5.x storyline but that we likely won't see them until 6.0. This is going to breed a lot of negativity once 6.0 rolls around If male Viera are not included there and I'm not looking forward to rehashing all of these same arguments.

To be abundantly clear they have not confirmed the inclusion of male Viera or female Hrothgar and have counseled a tempering of expectations for them.

I won't use this as a cudgel to discourage people still asking for these things (barring this idea that's floating around saying that they should release less content in order to include the other genders, I'm still very much opposed to that) but I do think it's important to call out unrealistic expectations so that they don't fester and grow into another community-wide assuredness that "we will be getting them" which can only make people feel that much worse if we see a 6.0 without them.

[Quipsy]

I wonder how many pages are going to go missing from the thread this time...?

I also wonder what makes people think that ladies who play male characters are all "fujoshi". I play a male character because I don't feel comfortable playing a female character from bad experiences I've had. I like being left alone. I would like to play a tall, well-proportioned race. I don't see anything wrong with this, and will keep pushing for mViera to fill this niche.

[rachcouture]

No. No, and no. Just because something is not appealing to what a literal handful of the community is crying out for, does not mean the game isn't working as it should or able to sustain itself. Deadlines are always tight in gaming. Always. Even moreso with triple A titles, which is why patches exist for those too.Dark Souls has them, Indie games have them. Yes their patch times are different, but XIV is literally fine.

Calmato.

But it isn't working. The entire studio is stretched thin and underfunded.

Honestly, though, I have no idea what to say to someone that can't understand the value of taking an extra month or two to do something right, as opposed to rush-ordering a half-finished mess, other than your perspective is exceedingly harmful to the creation of, well, anything actually valuable.

I don't know what you mean by a 'literal handful', either. You can see the proof with all of the things I've mentioned by attempting to do any of them in the game right now. Even at peak hours, most of that content is completely dead.