Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

1-Denial 2-Anger 3-Bargaining 4-Depression 5-Acceptance

You are all curently in stage 1.

Thanks for the bump, I guess...

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[Yllania]

You do realise that you confirm what i said right ?

Or maybe this sarcastic tone is a begining of stage 2 for you maybe ^^

It doesnt though. Thanking you for a bump has nothing to do with denial, it denies nothing. Just because people dont stop doing what you dont want them to doesn't make whatever you say right.

XD not really. We are in the stage of the devs saying they are trying to figure something out. Seems the only ones to be in denial of such things are the ppl who dont want the missing genders added.

Also, I don't think we should feed the trolls. From now on I will obviously respond to respectful comments to those opposed to male viera and try to make an interesting and usefull conversation, but will ignore trolls who only come here to get insults from other ppl

True

[zeylos]

1-Denial 2-Anger 3-Bargaining 4-Depression 5-Acceptance

You are all curently in stage 1.

XD not really. We are in the stage of the devs saying they are trying to figure something out. Seems the only ones to be in denial of such things are the ppl who dont want the missing genders added.

Also, I don't think we should feed the trolls. From now on I will obviously respond to respectful comments to those opposed to male viera and try to make an interesting and usefull conversation, but will ignore trolls who only come here to get insults from other ppl

[Lauront]

And i am not making part of them, in fact i have thumb up this topic when he was created, but you look like someone who making a lot of presumption, and you miss something a lot of people missing in this topic: pragmatism

I don't mean to engage you in bad faith, but when you come in a 450+ page topic and claim most posters are in denial, it's going to raise some eyebrows. For the most part, discussion here has been respectful and constructive. It's not like we've not listened to what Yoshida has said. It's more that there's aspects to it that are up for debate, which is what we're doing. Also, the devs have emphatically not closed off the option. It is pending further review, as it was before. So I appreciate that you support the addition of male Viera, but dropping an out of context comment like that is going to lead some to think you're a troll, which I assume you're not.

[zeylos]

And i am not making part of them, in fact i have thumb up this topic when he was created, but you look like someone who making a lot of presumption, and you miss something a lot of people missing in this topic: pragmatism

So you want male viera yet come to the male viera thread and tell us we are in denial and need to get to acceptance that there won't be any?
Interesting to say the least.
Like I said, I don't mind ppl not wanting the missing genders (would be quite hyproquite of me to do) in fact, in my FC we have had super interesting disscusions as to why or why not to add them. In the end, as long as you are respectfull, your feedback is valid.
That being said, I don't realyl consider copy pasting the 5 stages of pain is any feedback

[Lauront]

I was more against the genderlock in général than for the male vieira themselves, but what have become the discutions on this subject after, have making me sick, because of all this entitlement and the other agenda gently push in it.

So yeah i have given to me the right to "bump" you all a little when i see how out of réality you looks like in your echo chamber.

You have change someone who was for them into someone kinda pleased that this shitshow will finaly take an end.

You have 4 stage to go for it, and now rather than talking to walls, i will just playing the game.

Sorry but who are you even referring to at this point? Most people received the letter rather well. I'm still playing the game, too. Not sure what it has to do with anything.

I feel at this point new TYPES of content may be the wrong way to go further into the expansion cycles. Diadem was interesting the first time, then Diadem 2.0 was... not, Eureka was a throwback to XI and it's controversial, to say the least (my ex absolutely loves it, even if he complains about BA, I haven't even unlocked mounts in ANEMOS, it's the first time I haven't done a relic), not to mention Eureka had a very troubled production, with Anemos releasing incredibly late in the expansion. PotD is fun, as is HoH, but they're side content to the game at large... which is kind of the problem: there's a lot of SIDE content.

So for regular content you have MSQ, dungeons, and raids (8 and 24-man). Then side content is PvP, Gold Saucer, housing, BLU and future limited jobs, Eureka, Deep Dungeon, Ultimate trials, crafting/gathering... I'm not agains thte side content, of course (except locking relic behind Eureka, maybe limited jobs), but adding a new type of content every expansion and bringing it back for the next ones is a recipe for madness: there's gonna be a point when the devs have way too much on their plates to keep the content cycle going. BLU will reach lvl60, then more stages of Masked Carnival, then, say, BST is another limited job, so there's more content to make to play BST, while they're trying to balance the relic quest, more Eureka-type content, new Deep Dungeon, new GS attractions... no matter how much or little development time each uses, it's eventually going to add up and be too much.

At this point the best thing would be to either increase the development time between patches, getting a bigger team (including designers, QA, etc.), or focusing on a more limited, more polished, amount of content

Agreed, especially on the last bit. I don't fundamentally have any issue with Eureka, PoTD or ultimates, or even occasional GS content, but again, it should all be viewed through a cost/benefit lens. The first 3 represent content that probably would come out favourably on such an analysis, if implemented efficiently. The same goes for the requested mythic type dungeons. It's all down to how they do it. There are ways they could de-couple the relic grind from Eureka, and just make it the most efficient path to doing so, as well as tying some stuff, like emotes, behind it.

Limited jobs? I don't mean to go into the topic of BLU too much, but if that is any indication of what they're going to be like and how much effort is going to be diverted for their sake, I'd have to say no thanks. My biggest desire is enhanced character customisation and graphics, good new abilities and reworks where required, and thirdly, the addition of the missing genders.