One other product

[frostmagemari]

After reading the letter from the producer, i would like people who have asked for Viera (and possibly Hrothgar) to humor me on something.
Could you think of another service or item you would purchase if the store or salesman told you "It's not actually finished, because that would've been too hard; but we worked on our own time to get something done." and still insisted on charging you full price for the item? Would your own employer let you get away with that? Would you let your own employees get away with that?

Is this enough to make me consider hanging the game up? Probably not; i was never interested in the two races to begin with, but i can see that this kind of practice won't serve the game well in the long term. I'll have to see if this mindset bleeds into future parts of the game; i hope it doesn't.

Edit: This has been up for a while, but this is not in regards to the gender lock of the two races. This is in regards to what i feel to be features that every race has access to but have been taken off the table from the Viera and Hrothgar; specifically, the lack of ability to display the headgear within the game (with exception of glasses, that were brought to us by time put in by the dev team; which seemingly had to be done behind the director's back as he had no knowledge of them doing this.)

[HakaseNyan]

Aren't you technically already paying, monthly, for an unfinished game?

[frostmagemari]

Aren't you technically already paying, monthly, for an unfinished game?

No, i'm paying a monthly fee to access what is available within the game. An MMO is never unfinished, but there are certainly features within an MMO that can be unfinished when compared to similar content.
One of those being "We would've given them headgear, but it was too much work so we didn't plan on doing anything"; and it was only by the grace of Yoshi's staff NOT LISTENING to him that got us the least work intensive headgear that the game has to offer.

[Reinfeld]

They would have been better off not adding them at all and telling the playerbase "Sorry, shops closed."

[Enla]

They never promised us Viera or Hrothgar for that matter. While they were glib about the restrictions at the EU fanfest and only admitted to the whole deal at the JP one, they never actually promised us a full release of both genders. It wasn't until fan backlash got to a noticeable point that they stated they would look into expanding the race at a later date. This isn't a case of getting a half finished product so much as being given a product that was completed as intended, but that could be expanded due to community desire and support.

Instead of complaining about it being 'unfinished' we should frankly be grateful they're even looking into giving us the second genders and that the dev team even went out of their way to crunch through other issues with their implementation before release. Because they very /very/ well could easily tell us 'no' and not suffer any major set backs.

[frostmagemari]

They would have been better off not adding them at all and telling the playerbase "Sorry, shops closed."

So you would go to a furniture store, buy a bed frame and when it is missing a leg and the manager told you that "We could have reordered the piece, but that would have been too much work.. but one of the stock boys found a hunk of wood to put under it", you would pay full price for the item? Or would you think that you should have the same quality of item as the customer who purchased another bed at full price and it didn't have a missing piece?

Because that's the kind of situation this would be in anything outside of XIV, and i doubt any of you would be okay with it.

They never promised us Viera or Hrothgar for that matter. While they were glib about the restrictions at the EU fanfest and only admitted to the whole deal at the JP one, they never actually promised us a full release of both genders. It wasn't until fan backlash got to a noticeable point that they stated they would look into expanding the race at a later date. This isn't a case of getting a half finished product so much as being given a product that was completed as intended, but that could be expanded due to community desire and support.

Instead of complaining about it being 'unfinished' we should frankly be grateful they're even looking into giving us the second genders and that the dev team even went out of their way to crunch through other issues with their implementation before release. Because they very /very/ well could easily tell us 'no' and not suffer any major set backs.

Actually they did promise Viera and Hrothgar. They are used within the promotional material as new races for shadowbringers; and compared to other races, they are incomplete. They are unfinished.

[Enla]

Actually they did promise Viera and Hrothgar. They are used within the promotional material as new races for shadowbringers; and compared to other races, they are incomplete. They are unfinished.

To start no they didn't until they were revealed. Secondly they never promised us they would be more than one gender. Ever. They're incomplete to you but at no point did SE say they aren't being put forth as intended. Your opinion is fine and all but you're rewirting history here to suit your needs.

So you would go to a furniture store, buy a bed frame and when it is missing a leg and the manager told you that "We could have reordered the piece, but that would have been too much work.. but one of the stock boys found a hunk of wood to put under it", you would pay full price for the item? Or would you think that you should have the same quality of item as the customer who purchased another bed at full price and it didn't have a missing piece?

A more accurate analogy would be the store is trying to sell you a couch but you really want the couch /and/ a matching loveseat. To you the set isn't complete without that loveseat, but the store never intended to make one to begin with. Yet once you pointed out this issue the store took your request in mind and saw the sales potential for expanding the one item into a set and is now looking into providing both at a later date.

[Krotoan]

and it was only by the grace of Yoshi's staff NOT LISTENING to him that got us the least work intensive headgear that the game has to offer.

And putting in extra work. And they announced earlier that we would get NO headgear. I'm happy they announced something to try and be transparent but put in that extra to deliver more.

[Vahlnir]

Actually they did promise Viera and Hrothgar. They are used within the promotional material as new races for shadowbringers; and compared to other races, they are incomplete. They are unfinished.

You're right, they did promise them...and we got what was promised. Yoshi P even took it a step further and gave the reason behind the choices they made, and also left the possibility of having the other 2 genders at a later date up in the air without making any promises. And as an added bonus, they decided to work on head gear for the 2 races when we were initially told there would be none for awhile. We are getting exactly what we're paying for, and based on what we've been shown and told, they are complete for the time being. Well, complete in the sense that they are to be added as they are. They probably have some finishing touches to do, or at least I would think so.

[Canadane]

So you would go to a furniture store, buy a bed frame and when it is missing a leg and the manager told you that "We could have reordered the piece, but that would have been too much work.. but one of the stock boys found a hunk of wood to put under it", you would pay full price for the item? Or would you think that you should have the same quality of item as the customer who purchased another bed at full price and it didn't have a missing piece?

Because that's the kind of situation this would be in anything outside of XIV, and i doubt any of you would be okay with it.

But that's not the situation we're in.
We're getting a full product. You seem to think we're getting two half products.
Nobody complained about Miqo'te and Roegadyn being genderlocked in 1.0. Even when there was a female Roegadyn ingame readily available. They were still a full product, even if something was added later.