Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Valor_C]

i just had an idea for what SE could do. In the benchmark (and obviously in game too), they could blurr out the missing gender icons and say 'coming soon' or 'coming in the future' and that would help them attract potential new players that won't play the games because of genderlocked races, by confirming they are coming in game

I don't think there are as many players as you think don't playing a Game because there are two out of eight races in it with only one gender option...
And i think this is a bad idea, because they didn't even confirm male Viera and female Hrothgar, so why should they tease Players with something that they didn't even have planned '-'
Or did i miss something ?

[Duskane]

I expect there just be alot of room next to hroth/viera gender icon just so they can move them to the side if added.
I dont expect the male and female icons to be faded out or with [in development] sign.
Probably be a slot added in the code around time they are put in the game like fran had 4 other face options.

[zeylos]

I don't think there are as many players as you think don't playing a Game because there are two out of eight races in it with only one gender option...
And i think this is a bad idea, because they didn't even confirm male Viera and female Hrothgar, so why should they tease Players with something that they didn't even have planned '-'
Or did i miss something ?

I didn't say many new players. I just said new players.
Also them confirming they are going to come would make a lot of players happy and close to no-one mad.
It obviously dosen't have to be NOW, and I'm sure many players (myself included) are willing to wait until 6.0 to see them, which is most likely when they will be released (maybe sooner, who knows, but I don't think so).
Also genderlocked races hurt the overall presentation of the game, and if they have already decided what to do, they could do this.
Also they still have to give a response on what they are going to do, and I expect and hope to see that response in live letter if possible, even if its just a 'yes' or 'we'll try' or even 'we are seeing how many resources it takes'.

[zeylos]

Seriously, I'm very curious as to what will they do with the missing gender icons. I think it could give out a lot of info

[TrailMix]

I really like Yoshi P, I think he's an amazing director and he doesn't deserve the hate a lot of fans are giving him for this. We aren't even sure if it was entirely his decision, so I don't think it's fair for people to be focusing on him. That being said, I really don't like that they added any genderlocked races to the game, and I especially don't like that it was Viera that were one of them, but that's personal preference. I would prefer male viera that looked very feminine, like Alphinaud (I wouldn't play them otherwise), but really anything is better than nothing. It's a missed oppurtunity, it would really add a lot more options for people with specific tastes in characters, especially if they made them feminine, since there is a bit of a lack of feminine male options. I know some people would say that Elezen and Lalafell are enough, but Elezen look really strange in general and are super tall, and Lalafell are about 2 feet tall and have toddler bodies. Male viera would balance things out really well, even more so if they added masculine female Hrothgar, which I would probably never play but I know a ton of people would enjoy. I really hope Square Enix is aware of this thread and a lot of the fan's opinions.

[zeylos]

I really like Yoshi P, I think he's an amazing director and he doesn't deserve the hate a lot of fans are giving him for this. We aren't even sure if it was entirely his decision, so I don't think it's fair for people to be focusing on him. That being said, I really don't like that they added any genderlocked races to the game, and I especially don't like that it was Viera that were one of them, but that's personal preference. I would prefer male viera that looked very feminine, like Alphinaud (I wouldn't play them otherwise), but really anything is better than nothing. It's a missed oppurtunity, it would really add a lot more options for people with specific tastes in characters, especially if they made them feminine, since there is a bit of a lack of feminine male options. I know some people would say that Elezen and Lalafell are enough, but Elezen look really strange in general and are super tall, and Lalafell are about 2 feet tall and have toddler bodies. Male viera would balance things out really well, even more so if they added masculine female Hrothgar, which I would probably never play but I know a ton of people would enjoy. I really hope Square Enix is aware of this thread and a lot of the fan's opinions.

Yeah I agree with all of your points, and I obviously respect YoshiP ^^
I think they are most likely aware by now and I'm quite positive we'll get the other genders down the road, but we are still waiting on a confirmation that could come quite soon (either live letter or after 5.0)

[Halivel]

I know some people would say that Elezen and Lalafell are enough, but Elezen look really strange in general and are super tall, and Lalafell are about 2 feet tall and have toddler bodies.

I mean... even male Miqo'te do not look feminine. Yes, they have cuteness in their faces, and with some options you can make them a bit feminine, but in general they aren't. So I don't really understand how somebody can say that male Elezens are feminine. Lalafells are special niche.

[Veis_Alveare]

I really like Yoshi P, I think he's an amazing director and he doesn't deserve the hate a lot of fans are giving him for this. We aren't even sure if it was entirely his decision, so I don't think it's fair for people to be focusing on him. That being said, I really don't like that they added any genderlocked races to the game, and I especially don't like that it was Viera that were one of them, but that's personal preference. I would prefer male viera that looked very feminine, like Alphinaud (I wouldn't play them otherwise), but really anything is better than nothing. It's a missed oppurtunity, it would really add a lot more options for people with specific tastes in characters, especially if they made them feminine, since there is a bit of a lack of feminine male options. I know some people would say that Elezen and Lalafell are enough, but Elezen look really strange in general and are super tall, and Lalafell are about 2 feet tall and have toddler bodies. Male viera would balance things out really well, even more so if they added masculine female Hrothgar, which I would probably never play but I know a ton of people would enjoy. I really hope Square Enix is aware of this thread and a lot of the fan's opinions.

Alphinaud is a teenage boy.

No kid Viera, men or nothing.

[Melichoir]

Alphinaud is a teenage boy.

No kid Viera, men or nothing.

Youre conflating children with youthful features (which usually implies more feminine features broadly.) No one is arguing that your character, lore wise, is a teen. Theyre asking for more youthful, effeminate men. To make a point, how do you define 'men'? Do they have to look like leonidus from 300 to qualify? Simply saying "Masculine Features" is vague.

Models like Jordan Barrett, as an example, have some effeminate softer features that give them more a youthful appearance, contrasting that to lets say Chris Hemsworth whos more rugged and typical masculine.

In specifics to Trailmix, Alphinauds features are more effeminate (partially cause hes a twin and designed androgynously). Asking for aspects like that doesnt mean someone is asking for children. And it's worth pointing out that by your own standards, we should remove lalafells completely. You know, due to their child like appearance, even though FFXIV makes it clear they are adults. Though I wonder if thats why we havent ever seen lala fell children, cause of the implications of that? Then again, it's not like the game is shy about demonstrating their adults (they drink, curse, commit crimes, have relationships and earthly desires, etc).


Again, as I said in a previous post, its not people's business why people want certain things. You may not agree with their desires, and you can express that in a fashion such as "Yeah, Id prefer it to be this way cause of x.", but please refrain from the 'slap down' method - You know, where you tell people it's "This way or nothing". That's not productive for conversations. You want Male Vieras to be a certain way, talk about what features you're looking for. Stay positive and add to the conversation, not mean spirited.

[Veis_Alveare]

You may not agree with their desires, and you can express that in a fashion such as "Yeah, Id prefer it to be this way cause of x.", but please refrain from the 'slap down' method - You know, where you tell people it's "This way or nothing". That's not productive for conversations. You want Male Vieras to be a way, talk about what features youre looking for. Stay positive, not mean spirited.

I'm not looking for male Viera at all. I'm unopposed to them under a certain set of standards, primarily that they look like adults.

I won't be positive about anyone being able to play as a childlike model at all and will happily apply only the "slap down" method whenever and wherever I see it brought up.

Lalafel don't look human, if anything they look like the most alien of all the playable races. Most are humans with stretched limbs, exaggerated features or animal add-ons but Lalas are literally shaped like a large potato with a slightly smaller (albeit adorable) potato on top of it. Were it up to me they would also not have been included in the game but I don't see them as being as potentially harmful as literal humanoid children.

This is very much a hill I'll die on and to be abundantly clear there is literally zero chance you'll change my mind about either my opinions on it or my approach in how I argue against it.

No kid viera, men or nothing.

Also I looked up Jordan Barrett, I don't see him as looking particularly "youthful" at all. If people want that as a male Viera that's cool, that's an adult man shaped more or less like a male Miqo with less muscle in the shoulders. He's no Alphinaud, that's for sure. If that's what you want I'm not opposed - if you want a model that could be mistaken for a child you may as well call it quits, I won't budge.