Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
In a fight where you need to be second on threat I assume there would be a lot of use of provoke and shirk from the two tanks to manipulate their enmity. At least in an organized group.

And yeah you don't want to be literally 1 point of enmity over the next person on the enmity list, but maintaining a healthy lead usually doesn't mean haivng to use the rage of halone combo over the royal authority combo, at least outside of the start ofa fight where you build an early lead.
Proper Voke-Shirking between the two tanks will ensure you two remain 1 and 2 on threat and generally not worry about enmity. The caveat is the cool downs. Certain fights will need you to shirk to tank swap so you cant just do it whenever youd like, and htis gets complicated if both tanks need to be 1 and 2 on threat early. 012S Final needs both tanks to be 1 and 2 on threat almost immediately for Tank buster, followed by the necessity to have shirk and voke up for Hello World. You can get away with a lot though by properly managing provoke and ultimatum.

And yeah, it comes down to finding a balance between DPS and Threat Combos. I know I was being specific but there are a lot of tanks (I myself being one until this xpac) who think that as a tank, all you do is sit in tank stance and maintain threat. It's true the first thing a tank must do is tank - so that means keep aggro and manage damage taken so you dont die. That is paramount. Dead tanks do no dps, afterall. But its not the whole thing. Telling tanks "As long as you have 1 threat more than everyone else, your fine," I think is the reverse problem - youre not managing aggro correctly if DPS are on you like that. Cause yeah, playing like that in savage means a healer or DPS will pull aggro at the wrong moment, get tagged with an a tank buster, and blow up the group. Ive seen it happen in 011S - DPS got aggro and marked for a mustard bomb, killed everyone in the group except the MT OT and Bard. Regardless if dps have aggro dumps, as tank you are responsible for threat. So if that means you gotta spam Rage or DAPS or Butchers to keep your aggro up (While communicating with DPS to manage theirs), then thats what you gotta do.