add more content to MSQ roulette

[Gemina]

being willing 2 run it and not being willing 2 be traped in a 2 hour movie is 2 different things

Castrum and Prae are ran like clockwork, 30 and 45 minutes respectively. If you have to exaggerate how long it takes to complete to this extent to establish a point, you really have no point at all.

Honestly, there are even new players or individuals that level up alts through the story that do not want to see the cutscenes, but are forced into them each time—even running Castrum and Praetorium unsynced with a level 70 forces you into them. I’d rather they get rid of the Roulette and just retailer them to Squadron/Trust instances. This way, they can remove the unskippable feature; so people that want to watch can, and those who don’t want to don’t have to.

I don’t mind them spending a bit of resources on programming NPCs to take the place of regular party members. It’s not like the MSQ Roulette is a fan favorite by any stretch—and the poetics can be easily obtained a variety of other ways.

If you're leveling an alt, you only need endure Castrum and Prae once. And it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone leveling an alt. Much like going in to the main story roulette, the eventuality of having to go through those cutscenes has to, and should be accepted; otherwise don't do it. Also many players run this roulette for the exp and tomes they give. If SE wasted their time reworking it into solo instances or the trust system, those rewards go away. This will undoubtedly piss off a lot of players. You try to speak for the playerbase, but you're excluding a good portion of them. The poetics and exp being able to be obtained other ways argument works in your favor as well. Actually more so. If you know of better and faster means to obtain the exp and tomes, then don't run this roulette.

Personally, I’m the opposite—while the MSQ dungeons are easy wins, I also prefer to feel engaged and those two dungeons leave me anything but. I’ve started running Mentor Roulette simply out of boredom, and as frustrating as it is to get Shiva EX with a bunch of players that don’t want to follow directions, at least I’m engaged in it.

Again, if you want to feel engaged, then don't run it. They could take these two instances out of mentor roulette, but being a mentor should not be about what's best for you. That status should be a representation of your willingness to help other players.

[Makeda]

in order to make msq roulette less awful there should be more endgame trials/dungeons/etc added. keeper of the lake, nidhogg, ala mhigo, seiryu, etc

This roulette exists only so that new players don't get 'locked out' when they hit 50 and need to move from 2.0 to 2.1... It serves no other purpose.

And it shouldn't.

I'm in the opinion that the two dungeons in it should me made into solo duties. When you play them the story in them actually would make more sense if it was solo... It never made sense as group content to begin with...

I say they remove that roulette altogether and make it a solo duty. It'd actually be giving new people a better experience if they did that.

[Paladinleeds]

I'm not blaming anyone else, though. I'm withdrawing from a crappy dungeon that's not worth healing.

Not to mention I don't have to do a single thing you say. Right! Another mentor roulette, right now!

People like you are why I feel like there should be a 48 hour lockout from doing ANYTHING in game if you're removed for whatever reason (disconnect, kicked, leave, etc). That way the penalty for leaving or being removed for any reason is way worse than the penalty for staying. Expand it to mentor roulette in general tbh.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I'm in the opinion that the two dungeons in it should me made into solo duties. When you play them the story in them actually would make more sense if it was solo... It never made sense as group content to begin with...

The story leading up to them makes a big point that you're leading an elite adventurer unit to take out the Ultima Weapon. I guess they just sorta politely stand aside during cutscenes.

[AnimaAnimus]

People like you are why I feel like there should be a 48 hour lockout from doing ANYTHING in game if you're removed for whatever reason (disconnect, kicked, leave, etc). That way the penalty for leaving or being removed for any reason is way worse than the penalty for staying. Expand it to mentor roulette in general tbh.

Cause that would not be abused by trolls at all. Nope. Never.

[Paladinleeds]

Cause that would not be abused by trolls at all. Nope. Never.

It's a case of balancing it out... it's going to be abused one way or another no matter what SE do (make it so it only applies to leaving duty, either kick someone else out to avoid the penalty or get themselves kicked, make it so it applies to being disconnected/removed from the duty by any means and you'll get trolls who use it to spite another player). But I feel that it has to be done to avoid the demands to be kicked (to avoid the penalty). In fact, I just sent a report in to the GMs over someone using the disconnect thing to bypass the forced cutscenes in The Praetorium, and found out that my ex girlfriend is apparently one to abuse that herself in main scenario roulette to get the rewards quicker. I mean, I get the cutscenes suck and all, but exploits aren't the way to go you know.

[AnimaAnimus]

It's a case of balancing it out... it's going to be abused one way or another. But I feel that it has to be done to avoid the demands to be kicked (to avoid the penalty). In fact, I just sent a report in to the GMs over someone using the disconnect thing to bypass the forced cutscenes in The Praetorium, and found out that my ex girlfriend is apparently one to abuse that herself in main scenario roulette to get the rewards quicker. I mean, I get the cutscenes suck and all, but exploits aren't the way to go you know.

You asked for a blanketed 48 hour lock out for anyone vote kicked, who leaves early or who disconnects. Since internet drops sometimes and you dc it would be foolish to punish your paying customers for something like that. And ppl would get their jollies by queueing for a duty and vote kicking randoms just to give them a 48 hour lockout to everything that game has to offer. That would cause a huge rift and get to the point of ppl just bailing on the game or party finder, cause they would have a hard time getting anything done. There is no balancing that out.

If someone queues for a duty and get the 1 out of 30 they would rather not do, let them leave and eat 30 minutes. It's entirely their prerogative and should make no difference to you at all. I would rather let someone who doesn't want to be there leave than force them into running something they don't want to and putting 0 effort into it.

[van_arn]

People like you are why I feel like there should be a 48 hour lockout from doing ANYTHING in game if you're removed for whatever reason (disconnect, kicked, leave, etc). That way the penalty for leaving or being removed for any reason is way worse than the penalty for staying. Expand it to mentor roulette in general tbh.

That's not the penalty for withdraw, though, so what you feel in this regard is tangential.

I'll just keep withdrawing as long as the penalty for staying is greater than the penalty for leaving. Square isn't stupid enough to discourage use of this roulette further.

[Paladinleeds]

You asked for a blanketed 48 hour lock out for anyone vote kicked, who leaves early or who disconnects. Since internet drops sometimes and you dc it would be foolish to punish your paying customers for something like that. And ppl would get their jollies by queueing for a duty and vote kicking randoms just to give them a 48 hour lockout to everything that game has to offer. That would cause a huge rift and get to the point of ppl just bailing on the game or party finder, cause they would have a hard time getting anything done. There is no balancing that out.

If someone queues for a duty and get the 1 out of 30 they would rather not do, let them leave and eat 30 minutes. It's entirely their prerogative and should make no difference to you at all. I would rather let someone who doesn't want to be there leave than force them into running something they don't want to and putting 0 effect into it.

Well... perhaps that could be handled differently, but it should be at the very least the length of the longest duty in the game (is it 2 hours, so perhaps 2 hours?). The idea is, the penalty should be higher (since you agreed to get any duty in the list) for leaving than it is for staying. While 48 hours is indeed a very harsh penalty, you agreed to the roll of the dice including getting a duty you might not want. And since that to me is something you agree to, the punishment for leaving should not be lesser than for staying.

That's not the penalty for withdraw, though, so what you feel in this regard is tangential.

I'll just keep withdrawing as long as the penalty for staying is greater than the penalty for leaving. Square isn't stupid enough to discourage use of this roulette further.

And you're well within your rights to, just like I am well within my rights to campaign for a harsher penalty for it.

[Callinon]

People like you are why I feel like there should be a 48 hour lockout from doing ANYTHING in game if you're removed for whatever reason (disconnect, kicked, leave, etc). That way the penalty for leaving or being removed for any reason is way worse than the penalty for staying. Expand it to mentor roulette in general tbh.

Congratulations! That is the single worst idea I've ever heard for this game. Well done!

If someone queues for a duty and get the 1 out of 30 they would rather not do, let them leave and eat 30 minutes. It's entirely their prerogative and should make no difference to you at all. I would rather let someone who doesn't want to be there leave than force them into running something they don't want to and putting 0 effort into it.

Er... it WOULD make no difference to me except when it's a tank or healer that does it in a 4-man dungeon and you get no backfill. A dps player sits through a half hour or more queue sometimes just to get IN to the dungeon in the first place, and then that happens? It's not great.