New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

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It should just be included in your stormblood purchase. Like how WoW gives you a max lvl character for the upcoming expansion when you buy the new expansion.

Like I said before, a character in WoW is more limited than a character in FFXIV. Change your mind about your class or just want to play another class and you suddenly have to pay for a $60 boost per character. A story skip + job boost in FFXIV only cost $50 and $25 for each additional job boost.

WE. LIKE. THE. GAMEPLAY. THE MMO ELEMENTS.

Those exist starting at level 10 as soon as you unlock guildhest, or level 15 if you wait until unlocking Sastasha, or level 1 if you play with other people from the start.

[LyraKuroneko]

Buffing exp is again, a bandaid not a fix. You still have to go through all of the slog to get to what you want. The only difference is you way over level, everything you are doing is a joke, and you wish you were at level content. Your quests give you outdated gear, no money. If you have to buff exp to make it (supposedly) less of a slog, then that is a non-fix to the situation, and only highlights how bad it is [EDIT] A total restructure and streamline of the starting leveling experience is what is actually needed.

There is no reason for the whole story to be rework for you.

Sorry that this game story isn't for you.

I don't see why the initial story without the filler quest isn't ok for you beside that you may just don't like the story at all then. In which case, why do you even care what's in it?

Edit :

The idea of a restructure, rework; streamline is not for me. It is for NEW players. Somehow this whole discussion has continued to degrade, and the whole point continues to fly over people like you's head.

Weird because, you're the one who decide the options proposed by others weren't right. Cutting the filler is way easier and could be implemented faster. But YOU are the one who said no it's a bandaid. While several other people proposed also to cut the fillers.
The one who want a rework is you.

[Anselmet]

New game plus and increased exp is a bandaid fix. A BANDAID FIX!!!!

Uhuh. So you guys are saying we're the ones stuck with our heels in the mud and refusing to see the other side is saying while acting arrogant, but uh ya sure lets go with that. It couldn't be that we see the devs trying to find solutions while keeping the msq intact as a funnel for newbies into their world. That we support the FF in FFXIV. Could not be that. No, not that ever. It's all just bandaid fixes and by god we better do what these other mmos do even though ffxiv was not made with these types of models in mind. Because we are totally the reasonable ones with the clear, concise solutions. And you pro-msq people do not care for newbies and just want them to suffer and ruin the game!

The horror!! Skip potions! How dare they!!! BANDAID FIX!

/slams keyboard at the injustices

[Physic]

Because they are other game that focus on that, and that a game shouldn't be change because a little part decide they only wanted the half of it.

its a game as a service, it changes all the time.

when i first started it was 1.0, the entire story structure was way different, as was leveling, things changed

then i leveled a new charachter for 2.0, like 250 quests. getting from start to endgame was a lot less msq, and you get like 10 quests every 2-3 months. Also by 50 you had alk your skills, complete rotations.

now, a new player buying shadowbringers because they like dancer and this warrior of darkness in a light world, would have to do like, 700 quests, thats a lot. Your new friend asks when he can play gunbreaker, and you tell him, you just have to do 700 quests to unlock it. Even if he did 10 quests a day, thats like 2 months.

the game has changed, with every expansion, the ladder for newbies grows. They can give exp bonus rings for newbs, and preorders, lower experience needed to level, but MSQ is currently a binary hard lock on content.

its not the same being a new player now, the game has changed, msq needs something to balance out those changes.

[SturmChurro]

There is no reason for the whole story to be rework for you.

Sorry that this game story isn't for you.

I don't see why the initial story without the filler quest isn't ok for you beside that you may just don't like the story at all then. In which case, why do you even care what's in it?

Let's get this straight, okay. I have sat through every single dialogue, I have read every single side quest I have done, I read my best tribe quests, I watch and listen to all the cutscenes the first time - except for in a duty to not drag down the party. I think the main story is great, however I think the structure and general new player experience is archaic. ARR is outdated

The idea of a restructure, rework; streamline is not for me. It is for NEW players. Somehow this whole discussion has continued to degrade, and the whole point continues to fly over people like you's head.

[Physic]

I'm sorry but what's stopping you from doing something else while they do their quests? Nothing is forcing you to sit around doing nothing. Do your daily hunts, go gathering, visit the gold saucer, craft some things, do beast tribe dailies...I could go on for a while. My friends didn't feel pressured because I assured them they could take their time, and they knew I was doing other things I wanted to do while they did their quests.



Not been my experience at all. But then again I didn't sit around doing nothing while my buddies did their quests.



Two hours isn't a lot of time in a mmo regardless of whether you're doing msq or not.

i can do other things, possibly, but i cant play with them. If you set aside two hours to play with friends, but the game only lets you do it for 40/120 minutes, thats a fail.

and 2 hours is 6 dungeons, or all your dailies, or a bunch of gold saucer, or progress in eureka, or 9 maps, or 8 potds. unless they are new, doing msq, then its substantially less time.

And its not about me, when you invite a friend to a shared activity, they generally expect a shared activity. Imagine you invite your friend to go somewhere, then ditch them for 2/3rd the time.

[Pywalli]

its not the same being a new player now, the game has changed, msq needs something to balance out those changes.

I'm sorry but i start when stormblood launch, It take me 2 month to get 2 lvl70. it's not hard and it don't take forever. whithout skiping MSQ

[Anselmet]

The idea of a restructure, rework; streamline is not for me. It is for NEW players. Somehow this whole discussion has continued to degrade, and the whole point continues to fly over people like you's head.

Has it ever occurred to you that what you are saying is not flying over our heads that we just do not agree with your solution? Seriously, you called us arrogant, but you can't even take a moment to see our reasoning. We get it. You want to streamline this game like in other mmos. We are saying that there improvements being made and streamlining like you want it is unnecessary. I'm not gonna accuse you of things flying over your head, but I am gonna say you got your fingers in your ears while your screaming 'lalalala I can't hear you!' in a self righteous manner.

[Physic]

I'm sorry but i start when stormblood launch, It take me 2 month to get 2 lvl70. it's not hard and it don't take forever. whithout skiping MSQ

your concept of hard and takes forever is very different than others. If you got your friend to buy shadow bringers by showing them dancer, then told them it will only take two months before they can play that class, what do you think they would say?

also, it took people substantially less time to get to max in arr. probably 2-3 weeks.

[SturmChurro]

your concept of hard and takes forever is very different than others. If you got your friend to buy shadow bringers by showing them dancer, then told them it will only take two months before they can play that class, what do you think they would say?

"I can't wait to level my mnk to 70 so I can unlock dancer and level dancer to 70!"

"I can't wait to play 90% of this games story as a class I didn't want to play, so I can play the class I want to play!"

"I love spending $60 on the game, $15 on a sub, $26 for a story skip, $26 for a level boost, so I can play dancer!"