New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[SturmChurro]

Continue posting lies and soon no one will trust any post you make. You will simply be treated as troll who cant be trusted to post seriously which is far more frustrating then anything the game throws at you. If you have a concern then talk and you will get answers to those concerns lie like you have and you will be met with sarcasm, lies and misinformation as no one will believe you. Your also making it hard for veterans to trust people who say their new..

Are you serious? I never lied. I played into all of your fantasies that I have imaginary friends. and am just speaking for myself. Focusing on one thing in my entire post, and discrediting the rest. As outlined in this comment:

Yeah I always discredit anything that begins with "I have a friend/SO/mom/favorite-serial-killer who ..." posts...

"Person-Up" and openly speak for yourself.

Yeah, I am totally talking about myself. When it literally says my main class next to my avatar, and I even have a signature with a couple more 70's, not to mention the fact that my lodestone is publicly available.

Christ almighty dude, and it's still going on. Discrediting everything I say, because I opened with "my friend". I actually have a friend, I only brought him up, because he was the catalyst to my thought on the general player experience, broadly speaking, as I have stated multiple, multiple times in this thread. People continue to focus on random crap, for pages and pages, it is actually really sad. Oh let me guess next post, or page, someone is gonna say again, that I am sad for not speaking up and admitting that I have imaginary friends and this whole post is a fabrication. Get over yourself.

I've seen too many burn out in the hundreds of quests leading up to Stormblood not to encourage skips for new players.

With shadowbringers, it'll only be worse unless square does some pruning.

This is literally what I was saying the entire time. I should have just kept my friend's experience completely out of the post, and maybe people would have actually had a discussion on the true topic here.

Wow, talk about missing the point. They aren't whining. They are giving feedback and their opinion on the not so great leveling process. Not once did they say that playing with their friend was a chore. Perhaps you should dial back on the hostility a tad and actually read what their actual concerns are.

That's apparently a big ask.

That only tells us skip potion or the msq are equally ineffective in teaching players how to play.

That can be solved by more failure states, be that solo gateway fights or more dps/heal/mitigation checks in all content tiers.

There needs to come a point where a player must learn or they do not progress. Because as it stands, they're not required to learn -- so many don't.

Exactly, there needs to be a better solution, as I have stated in previous posts, than buying a damn story skip. There should be something new in it's place for new players similar to WoW as outlined in this, reasonable, post:

Imo the starting experience in WoW was really nice, they usually had you doing combat and goofy gimmick content really quickly and it was even better because there were a bunch of different variations of that (different races). In that thought, I have wondered if perhaps SE in some expansion could create a better "skip" potion where it introduces you as new player but at a much higher level with some story behind you already.

Just as an example (does not have to be like this at all):

While the installer runs, have some lore going and nice music, concept art panels flittering by (if that's here now I wouldn't know because I haven't needed to reinstall in ages lol).

Now once in game start our player character from Ishgard, if they picked the accelerated start option at least (can be other cities), there would be 5 to 10 quests that get you going on the basics and have a particular attention to keeping a nice flowing cadence (good pace) and perhaps a few gimmick quests. These quests would help give you a bit of background to your area, your current objective, and a bit how to play / understand the game (like making sure they know about the golden saucer, and other side stuff). In fact through the story there could either be use of playing other NPC shortly (Aymeric) where the ability list has basic concepts but is straight forward for quick conceptual understanding or a few "time skips" so you play your character at level 30, 50, and finally like 60 (perhaps jumping the player through key moments in the MSQ that they can go back to with new game+). These flash backs besides capturing some key story moments could also be teaching concepts of later fighting (stack, run away, etc, like a flash back of your Nidhog fight). Simultaneously if SE has made the intermediate hall / expert hall they could direct the player to that at the end.

Now you're put into the game with a purpose and sense of belonging but also further along and past some of the "give me soup, slave of light - this soup is cold, do it again!".

Can let other players complete this content via new game+ (so it's not inaccessible unless you're starting new). May also be a way to add a new GC to the game. Ishgard GC could be level x+ (so they don't have to design a lot of old gear/tiers).



Just want to say I've seen this be non-satisfactory/deal breaker for people cross many MMOs. When a friend is like you should try "x" and they ask if they'll be able to play together soon or if it'll be potentially weeks before they can have fun together. Obviously there is a skip potion for that but now you're trying to sell someone the game and cash shop at the same time, that's a fairly big horse pill lol. Probably part the reason WoW gives one skip "potion" for free in the expansions for a while now. Although like I was trying to add above I think SE could add a new start to the game, which would be better experience than just flying by stuff with no reference at all.

Of course some people would prefer to go through it all, because story. So I'm saying the current mountain of content (before being able to reach friends/fresh pastures) would definitely be a deal breaker for some people (even if they're being sold on it by friends).