New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Sciwolf]

So why rush to "catch up"? Why not play the game and enjoy it as it is? Eventually they will reach the latest parts of the game anyway. New content is not more "relevant" than old content, just newer.

The idea that you need to reach the newest parts of the game as soon as they are released - that is the problem.

This is what i never understood. Some people feel that in order to enjoy the game you HAVE to be involved in the latest content. Now most of the time, its because they have already sank hundreds of hours into the game and have experienced.

But if youre new and already want to skip everything then why even bother playing?

[Vercinotrix]

People shouldn't come to this game expecting to be caught up with people who've been playing for years. I get that it kind of sucks and all, but really FFXIV is an entire game. 1-50 and 50-60 are only really slogs if you're solely looking to play this game at level cap. People need to stop bringing the mentality of the only game is end game with them when they start, I have to keep reminding my friends who just started to be patient and relax.

I guess if you really don't care about story or don't really like level progression RPGs it can be unbearable, but really I think people need a mentality/attitude change than the game needs to change to accommodate that.

[van_arn]

Seriously, if you think this is an acceptable to-do list for a new player, you need to go outside.

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w...cenario_Quests

Square retired old questlines with the release of 2.0. Those that had played 1.0 could enjoy firsthand knowledge of what happened back then for additional context, but the opening trailer was all that was essential for a player new to 2.0 to enjoy the story.

In the same way, players should be able to just hop on and play. They don't need to have a deep understanding of every character, they don't need to know the trivia of gobbie cheese, they just need to know only enough to enjoy the outline of the plot. Anything beyond that is busywork and wasted time teleporting.

Those that decide they want to play a visual novel should have the option to play ancient content at first login -- be that through the inn or new game plus. The essence of being welcoming is not requiring players to waste their time on content that is five years old, badly nerfed, and doesn't teach anything the newer content can't teach anyway.

As I've said before, I've seen too many sprouts burn out going through the msq. The entire msq cannot be the default any longer. We're going to see even more burn out during shadowbringers because it took everything they had to just GET to shadowbringers. A few hundred quests before the game is unlocked is too much for square to ask, and it's getting worse every patch.

[Vanitas]

This game already does a horrible job teaching players the fundamental basics on how to play it and is only worsened by the fact that skip potions exist at all and by the way op is complaining it seems they want this to be a FREE feature accessible to anyone at any time? No thanks its bad enough jump pots exist. If your "friend" really wants to bypass the entirety of the game they deserve pay for it like everyone else who bought one.

[van_arn]

This game already does a horrible job teaching players the fundamental basics on how to play it and is only worsened by the fact that skip potions exist at all and by the way op is complaining it seems they want this to be a FREE feature accessible to anyone at any time? No thanks its bad enough jump pots exist. If your "friend" really wants to bypass the entirety of the game they deserve pay for it like everyone else who bought one.

That only tells us skip potion or the msq are equally ineffective in teaching players how to play.

That can be solved by more failure states, be that solo gateway fights or more dps/heal/mitigation checks in all content tiers.

There needs to come a point where a player must learn or they do not progress. Because as it stands, they're not required to learn -- so many don't.

[MPK]

Yeah let's just give every new players completely maxed out stats and maxed out raid gear!!!!!!!!1!!11!!

[Bryan_Weary1]

I got hooked during my first playthrough while still going through AAR. It's the reason I'm still here now, as are quite a lot of people from what I see every day.

Who is this "new player" you speak of? You claim be talking about a general issue affecting all new players, but you've made it clear that you aren't one, and the friend you used as an example doesn't seem to appreciate the vast majority of content the game offers. At this point, I'm not convinced that you have the best interests of the game's target audience at heart.

You are certainly not alone. Got to Garuda way back when, but got a bit of "Dungeon/Trial anxiety(not sure why, breezed through it recently). When I came back, I deleted my character and started over to refamiliarize myself with the game(while crossing my fingers that nobody would gank my name on me). I've been having a blast.

[van_arn]

Yeah let's just give every new players completely maxed out stats and maxed out raid gear!!!!!!!!1!!11!!

Hyperbole. Give players only what they need to play the expansion with their friends, on the day it launches.

[MPK]

Hyperbole. Give players only what they need to play the expansion with their friends, on the day it launches.

Yeah let's just give every new players completely maxed out stats and maxed out raid gear!!!!!!!!1!!11!!

[Sciwolf]

What do you mean msq "doesnt teach anything"? Before someone starts tanking end game, shouldnt they at least learn to tank sastasha? With the jump potion that wont happen.