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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    It isn't as simple as you make it sound like it would be as there would be 1-50 class skills to change beyond 3 levels beyond 50 to change. It would have to be a whole new job if all of arc were taken out. Both it and sch have this problem of course, you'd have to totally come up with new skills to replace the ones lost 1-50 and have them work still in that level content.
    Well, the simplest answer is to just rename the current skills.

    Ruin becomes I dunno... Dark? Banish? Fire Whip? Shining Air? Heavy Dust?

    Bio becomes... Poison? Pain?

    Miasma becomes... Scourge?

    Physick becomes... White Flame? Earth Heal? Cauterize?

    Energy Drain becomes... Osmose?

    Shadowflare becomes... Voidstorm? Thunderstorm? Firestorm? Sandstorm?

    This shifts the workload into simply creating unique spell effects and designing a new Job Gauge. Without having to actually rebalance anything at the time (Rebalancing can always come later to create more distinct jobs by differentiating the skills more)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    Well, the simplest answer is to just rename the current skills.

    Ruin becomes I dunno... Dark? Banish? Fire Whip? Shining Air? Heavy Dust?

    Bio becomes... Poison? Pain?

    Miasma becomes... Scourge?

    Physick becomes... White Flame? Earth Heal? Cauterize?

    Energy Drain becomes... Osmose?

    Shadowflare becomes... Voidstorm? Thunderstorm? Firestorm? Sandstorm?

    This shifts the workload into simply creating unique spell effects and designing a new Job Gauge. Without having to actually rebalance anything at the time (Rebalancing can always come later to create more distinct jobs by differentiating the skills more)
    That would work, but new animations would needed and again it isn't as simple as you want to make it. As for the carbuncles, in previous games they typically gave a reflect spell which doesn't work in FFXIV and doesn't actually fit either well. Also what would you do about Alphinauad's obsidian and ruby ones as they are dps and wouldn't fit your paradigm? Would you require the msq to change as well?

    Can you at least agree it isn't as simple as you are trying to make it sound to split summoner and scholar from a lore standpoint? I'd hate to see it as they need to get healers balanced per their own words before giving us a new healer and we're waiting at least 2 more years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    As for the carbuncles, in previous games they typically gave a reflect spell which doesn't work in FFXIV and doesn't actually fit either well.
    Didn't stop us getting Radiant Shield on Ifrit-Egi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    Also what would you do about Alphinauad's obsidian and ruby ones as they are dps and wouldn't fit your paradigm?
    Nothing.

    Players don't get access to Alphinaud's unique Obsidian Carbuncle. Thus, it can be different.

    Also, as I mentioned before, it's possible to have Carbuncles having an auto-attack before being "Upgraded" into the Fairies that are pure healers upon becoming SCH.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    Can you at least agree it isn't as simple as you are trying to make it sound to split summoner and scholar from a lore standpoint?
    From a lore standpoint, it's easy to split Summoner from Arcanist. Given that Summoner literally has no interaction with you being an Arcanist at all. There is no reference to you being an Arcanist.

    Scholar on the other hand, literally does mention you being an Arcanist, it's literally the reason that Alka Zolka came to the Arcanists guild to seek out an experienced Arcanist because he wasn't versed in Arcanima what with being a Marauder...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    I'd hate to see it as they need to get healers balanced per their own words before giving us a new healer and we're waiting at least 2 more years.
    I don't know what relevance this has?

    In no world would splitting a job from Arcanist create a "New" healer. The only Healer would be Scholar. For the same reason you don't see Conjurer's running about the place...
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