Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Senn]

Blaming people for doing something worthy of criticism

The problem here is blindly blaming someone for another person's behavior. For example, reivaxe was surprised I was actually agreeing with them on some points. They assumed what my stance on things were based on other people's opinions, and they were mistaken. If you're in a disagreement with someone, you're disagreeing with that person specifically. Take it on a case by case basis, and don't lump people together.

[Roda]

Don't engage with trolls. Report inflammatory behavior, ignore and move on.

[jake200135]

Don't engage with trolls. Report inflammatory behavior, ignore and move on.

Agreed. If someone wants to just throw out insults instead of actually adding to the discussion, the best thing to do would be to report. The mods have actually been doing a good job of deleting troll's posts.

[KaijinRhada]

Why not elaborate on what you disagree with in particular? I'm sure if you behave in a civil manner, people will show you the same courtesy.

Bolding this for anyone that needs a reminder.

For those that are being a bit prickly: people are fine to discuss points regardless of agreeing or disagreeing, but making constructive points rather than resorting name-calling (whether to other players, or to SE) would be the better way to go about debates.

Anyway, back to throwing confetti of hope/support at the inclusion of both sexes at some point in the future. (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ✧*:・ﾟ✧✲ﾟ✿

[Sanctify]

Why not elaborate on what you disagree with in particular? I'm sure if you behave in a civil manner, people will show you the same courtesy.

What I disagree with is the outrage over this trivial matter. People are upset over a lack of sex option from 2 new races out when they're are 5 other races to choose from to fulfill your fantasy. Wasnt it already stated that they chose 2 races with 1 sex to provide more option as opposed to a single race because of how much more work it would be to make 2 races with both sex? Would you rather have 1 new race or 2? What if they did no new race? What would the backlash be then? And what more reason do you want? As long as it's not some entitled "its 2019 blah blah blah" I'm all ears.

People got TWO new races, and they're outraged. It makes literally zero sense from a logical person's perspective. Dont like it? Maybe go make your own MMO and handle that workload yourself and make whatever characters you want. As is now, this "genderlock" outrage is just asinine. Why are people trying to push agendas in a video game ffs. Jesus christ lol.

[WhiteArchmage]

You admitted you only skimmed the thread so you'll forgive when I say those have already been answered.

In short:
There would have been much less outrage if there was only one race released with both genders, especially if we didn't know the other was in the works. Going off Yoshi-P's words, it would have been Hrothgar, and I'm sure most of the people in this thread would have accepted that they chose to listen to another section of players asking for bestial races instead of Viera.
What if there was no new race? There would have been disappointment, but not to the extent of this.
These are not 2 new races, these are 2 HALF races since the other genders DO exist in the lore, they're just... not playable.
AND many people are against gender locks on principle as it reinforces the unfortunate trope of "bestial male, waifu female"

[Hestzhyen]

What I disagree with is the outrage over this trivial matter. People are upset over a lack of sex option from 2 new races out when they're are 5 other races to choose from to fulfill your fantasy. Wasnt it already stated that they chose 2 races with 1 sex to provide more option as opposed to a single race because of how much more work it would be to make 2 races with both sex? Would you rather have 1 new race or 2? What if they did no new race? What would the backlash be then? And what more reason do you want? As long as it's not some entitled "its 2019 blah blah blah" I'm all ears.

People got TWO new races, and they're outraged. It makes literally zero sense from a logical person's perspective. Dont like it? Maybe go make your own MMO and handle that workload yourself and make whatever characters you want. As is now, this "genderlock" outrage is just asinine. Why are people trying to push agendas in a video game ffs. Jesus christ lol.

There's no agenda here, so I'm not sure where the conspiratorial "they're trying to turn everyone into demi-rabbits... or worse!" mindset is coming from. The only agenda I see here in this and the Female Hrothgar threads are people voicing displeasure to SE and hoping that the company responds positively to them. Whether or not some folks have unrealistic timelines or design philosophy is moot since at the end of the day, people want to feel heard and listened to. Seems like most have settled down to wait for a tidbit from the upcoming live letter, which is pretty reasonable. Might be some angst and frustration while we wait but if it bothers people, they can ignore the threads. Most of the so-called "outrage" is well contained in the two mega threads now. You have to actively come in here looking for a reason to get mad to make post like yours, which I don't really understand.

There are a lot of principle arguments on both sides, so it can get heated. There's no fact-based consensus to rally around so it comes down to a clash of pure opinions, which is messy and often circular, and there's no one who is clearly right or wrong based on stance alone. I get that there are a lot of people who are upset and tired of hearing about it because of a variety of reasons but you guys have to understand that it's as simple as not clicking on the thread to come back and poke the hornet's nest. By all means leave your piece about how it's not a concern to you and you hope SE focuses resources on other types of content. That's totally valid and I get that feeling (imagine if they could go back and revamp character creation for all the races...!). But to come in here and start swinging with "you guys are whiny brats" and "stop being ungrateful, make your own MMO if you don't like it" contributes nothing of value to the thread. You can take your own advice at that point- create a thread about how you like the status quo and are fine with SE's decisions. Might not get a lot of support, but it's a much more constructive way to give feedback than going into a request support thread and insulting everyone who wants the thing you don't.

Also, there's no obligation for customers to be grateful for what we got. We don't have to like the outcome even though SE tried their best to find a compromise. Letting them know we are unhappy, and keeping that interest sustained, lets them know there is a need they can fill to keep us satisfied (i.e.: paying) and perhaps entice new customers. You can bet that even if they come out and say "we can't do it, and that's that" the question of MALE BUNNIES WHEN??? will haunt them for the rest of the game's lifetime, possibly even into a new MMO if they make one- demand is that passionate because of how they split the races. There's an underserved market for it and quite frankly if YoshiP hadn't played coy about it, folks might not have been so riled up to the point we are now.

Lastly, you might be satisfied with your options. That's great, and many of us wish we could say the same. But some folks want the options present so they can use them and better reflect their own ideal character. If aesthetics and gender didn't matter to you, why did you create your character the way you did? Would you have been happy if Au Ra women were not present or more beastly like the concept art? Would you switch to playing a male if there was no female option you really cared for... and would you really be happy with what you settled for? Not everything is about gender and identity politics when it comes to asking for the missing genders to be added. Some people just want to play what they like because that's their preferred aesthetic. And in a game whose "look" is a large selling point, why wouldn't folks be vocal about a missed opportunity to serve them? Especially since SE had publicly considered it as an option before going a different route?

tl;dr: getting mad about others being mad about a thing you don't care for is not productive or helpful, please stop

[niteypants]

You can bet that even if they come out and say "we can't do it, and that's that" the question of MALE BUNNIES WHEN??? will haunt them for the rest of the game's lifetime, possibly even into a new MMO if they make one- demand is that passionate because of how they split the races. There's an underserved market for it and quite frankly if YoshiP hadn't played coy about it, folks might not have been so riled up to the point we are now.

This.

It was a really bad decision on Yoshi-P's part, just from a business point of view. It's leaving a lot of money on the table, and it's something that won't go away until they change course.

[Kelryth]

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I have no problem playing child characters in games. Most of squares games over the years have had child protagonists. Those that find this creepy in my honest opinion have dirty minds and should go see a shrink. They need to realize that not everybody who likes kids is a pedophile. Get over yourselves.



That said, I hope if we get male viera they include a youngish face like miqo has. Like a slightly taller frodo with bunny ears...LOL

[AnnaRosa]

I have no problem playing child characters in games. Most of squares games over the years have had child protagonists. Those that find this creepy in my honest opinion have dirty minds and should go see a shrink. They need to realize that not everybody who likes kids is a pedophile. Get over yourselves.



That said, I hope if we get male viera they include a youngish face like miqo has. Like a slightly taller frodo with bunny ears...LOL

Highly doubt that will happen the playable female viera are described in the game lore as mature adults would not make any sense to make the counterpart just as that but maybe you could work with the character editor the facial features like you can with the character muscular mass and height.

Where you can make your own Frodo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .