Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[BillyKaplan]

[comes back to the thread a night late with Starbucks]
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I wouldn't say it's such an unreasonable request for them to be elegant, slim, and handsome if they were to be added in the game.

I think most of us agree about handsome, and for the most part elegant (I'd hate male Viera, or Viera in general, to have the pompous air Elezen have. their snobbishness should be different, born not out of their race's prestigious status but from the fact they can separate your head from your body with a flick of their wrist if they so choose). It's the slim part that seems up in the air, and even that can vary greatly. Miqo'te for instance, I don't think anyone would define them as not slim, but lord can they be built as a truck as far as muscle definition goes.
Also keep in mind that for all of Yoshida's statements on the matter, they are looking for feedback. If at the end of the day they see a bigger cry more towards an Au Ra build than Elezen, it's not unthinkable that they'll go there, as it still won't break the expectations born from the concept art (mind you, the 3 male Viera side by side, as that is by far the more well known one) nor will it be out of tune with the females.
This is, at the end of the day, a feedback thread. Telling people they have already decided on what male Viera will look like is pointless. Do they have a base? Definitely, between what Yoshida said and the concept arts. But what that means as far as implementation in-game goes is just that - a base, and one in the abstract as far as Yoshida's words go. By all means, advocate for what you want - don't use those interviews as a stick to beat down other opinions.

As for the other heated debate going on right now,And iono, racial diversity didn't stop them from adding female Viera to female Elezen, or female Au Ra to female Miqo'te back in HW. Yoshida tried to lampshade it at the time by saying their faces could be customized into succubus-like features but that's more good customization options in play than a racial feature, and still does little to negate their animations and mannerisms or overall aesthetic.
This won't be the first time they sacrificed racial diversity for the sake of their vision and/or what they think the players will like - female Viera are exactly that. And given that male Hroths are already that, that argument further loses its bite because we got male Hroths. Now time to fix the Elezen niche, sadly not by fixing Elezen but by introducing maleViera.

[reivaxe]

You mean 1649 of us as of right now?

lol, you think everyone who clicks like here wants to be a bunny boi?

Guess you think Hrothgar females would be around as popular as Male Viera given that thread got 1154 likes, right?

Au ra may be tall, but they are still muscular and bulky. Also, I personally don't see male au ra as elegant, nor do I think they are "pretty".

Nope, they're tall slender men. Not bulky. They're just a different take on the body type.

You're opinion on their looks or persona doesn't change anything.

[Senn]

We can't really know exactly how popular male viera would be. It's only speculation at this point. Personally, I have a good feeling it would be a popular choice, but I don't have much to back that up. Inversely, no one here can back up that it wouldn't be popular.

Now if we're arguing over whether or not male viera should have replaced male hrothgar... Well, as much as I would love to have a male viera main, it's true that adding female viera and male hrothgar was probably the best choice SE could have made. It makes the viera crowd and the beast crowd happy. I'm grateful to all those involved for adding female viera. SE really listened to the fans, and I can appreciate that. So, thanks SE/Yoshida/devs. Since this is the final race, I do hope SE can make this final push for male viera and female hrothgar in the future. Possibly the next expansion.

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lol, you think everyone who clicks like here wants to be a bunny boi?

What a disingenuous thing to say. You specifically said

I'm sure all 10 of you are very into animal ears.

-and yes, it does seem like 1649 are at least interested in them. No where in your post did it suggest people who were "into" animal ears would play them, and my post didn't suggest that, either. I'm simply stating that at least 1649 are interested, not that they would play. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people did play as male viera. A lot more than "lol 10"

Nope, they're tall slender men. Not bulky. They're just a different take on the body type.

They seem muscular and bulky to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Elezen is slender, but they look like aliens with their proportions.

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No one is beating anyone down with the interviews. I'm speculating with the information we have, and people are allowed to have a discussion with me, and even disagree. This is a forum. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean I'm telling people they aren't allowed to request whatever they want to request. That's untrue, and I've already stated before people are more than welcome to request whatever body type they want. You, on the other hand, have told me to stop with my speculation earlier. Now that's what I call shutting someone down.

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Would be nice if you and the other 4 people who spend all their time in here would step up and tell this to those in your corner spouting this nonsense.

I'm not anyone's babysitter. Besides, I already told you how I felt about male hrothgar and agreed with you like two times. You either forgot, missed it, or just refused to read because of your silly self imposed rule.

So no, you can't say that everyone who clicks like also plans to race change into that.

I wasn't saying that, but ok. You can still express an interest in something, even if you wouldn't play that particular character yourself. I have a small amount of interest in seeing female hrothgars running around. Not a huge interest, but still there. I'm sure there are people out there who'd be interested in seeing male viera characters in the world even if they wouldn't play one.

The devs don't consider them a bulky race and most would disagree with you on them being bulky. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Still disagree. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They have broad shoulders, their arms are buff, and they have those big thighs. They have an hourglass shaped waist, but that doesn't fill the niche for a slim, handsome, and elegant race at all considering everything else about them. They're pretty big and hulky. They also have this savage air about them. Not even close to being elegant.

[AnnaRosa]

It looks to me the female viera use a face similar to miqo'te, so if the males were to ever be implemented, I would guess it would look somewhat similar.
Honestly, I think we should all have a little faith in the dev team if they decide to really do this. They did a great job on the females, after all.
Whatever design they go with, I'll respect it.

You be correct there whatever design they deliver we trust them to be good.
Two of the faces seem Miqo-te female features based just mature adult, the other two completely gender neutral that is why made me think they were in the way to build the male gender perhaps as NPC.

[reivaxe]

We can't really know exactly how popular male viera would be. It's only speculation at this point. Personally, I have a good feeling it would be a popular choice, but I don't have much to back that up. Inversely, no one here can back up that it wouldn't be popular.

Now if we're arguing over whether or not male viera should have replaced male hrothgar... Well, as much as I would love to have a male viera main, it's true that adding female viera and male hrothgar was probably the best choice SE could have made. It makes the viera crowd and the beast crowd happy. I'm grateful to all those involved for adding female viera. SE really listened to the fans, and I can appreciate that. So, thanks SE/Yoshida/devs. Since this is the final race, I do hope SE can make this final push for male viera and female hrothgar in the future. Possibly the next expansion.

A shockingly reasonable reply, wish people would take this into account instead of thinking that something THEY like will be the bee's knees with a completely different crowd as "proof" that something they don't care for was a mistake.
Would be nice if you and the other 4 people who spend all their time in here would step up and tell this to those in your corner spouting this nonsense.

I don't personally see them being a popular choice among the young male demo cause of the very concept.

What a disingenuous thing to say. You specifically said

-and yes, it does seem like 1649 are at least interested in them.

1- You can "support" something without personal interest in partaking in it. It's what people are actually saying when they go "I'd like to SEE some bunny bois/ buff cat ladies!". So no, you can't say that everyone who clicks like also plans to race change into that.

2- It's an exaggeration making fun of the fact that that's not a very impressive number. People are very vocal when they feel like something's being taken away from them, no matter how few they number.
Like, ok, 1649 people "liked" this thread over the course of a month ... in just a day almost 11k people "hearted" a random Benchmark head shot of a Viera female on the FF14 Insta.

No where in your post did it suggest people who were "into" animal ears would play them, and my post didn't suggest that, either. I'm simply stating that at least 1649 are interested, not that they would play. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people did play as male viera.

That animal ears part was directed at this post

you underestimate the power of a race with animals ears to the crowd that want male viera

And you don't have to be "interested" in anything to click like. You can "like" because you don't like "genderlocking!"
What does interest even mean to you?

They seem muscular and bulky to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Elezen is slender, but they look like aliens with their proportions.

The devs don't consider them a bulky race and most would disagree with you on them being bulky. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[zeylos]

lol, you think everyone who clicks like here wants to be a bunny boi?

Guess you think Hrothgar females would be around as popular as Male Viera given that thread got 1154 likes, right?



Nope, they're tall slender men. Not bulky. They're just a different take on the body type.

You're opinion on their looks or persona doesn't change anything.

Lol u really must be bored having the time to come here everyday to try and insult everybody that doesn't want the same things as u right...
By ur previous point btw, if male viera shouldn't be added because elezens aren't popular, hrotgar who are reskinned Roe with tails and different animations, shouldn't even have gone through past the concept stage (guess who is the least popular race)

[Duskane]

Would be nice if you and the other 4 people who spend all their time in here would step up and tell this to those in your corner spouting this nonsense.

i mean your also always here arguing... same boat tbqh

[Alleo]

If the Hrothgar would have had bunny ears and were called Viera instead, would you guys have been cool with it?

I honestly would not have been that cool with it. It would be imo better because we would have had at least one complete race but they would look way to different to make them feel like one race at the same time. Lets not forget that until the age of around 13 they are allowed to live in the village because they look like the females. I would find it hard to believe that they would turn into hulk like beings after that. The difference between female and male Au Ra are already quite big and there its mostly just the height. A hrothgar viera would be even worse with being even bigger than the females and looking much more beastly and wild than them. This would 100% fall into the: The females look like models while the males look completely different and beastly -trope...which is something that I dont want.

So it would have been better than a genderlock but still would play too much into the common trope of the men looking like beasts while the females are only allowed to be cute/sexy. I dont care if they have more or less muscles (even though I wish we had a more slimmer race) but please let them at least look like they are belonging to the same race at all.

Edit: Can someone tell me what exactly a conventionally attractive man is? Because isnt that depending on where you live? And isnt that changing all the time too? One time you have all these manly hairy men with big muscles and big beards other times people find men more attractive that are clean shaven (on the whole body) and less muscled. Heck there are even studies that show that women also can see someone as much more attractive if they are are simply successfull. So I doubt that there is a universal conventional idea about men.

In the end Yoshida and his team will be doing the decision. And they are from Asia, who might have a slightly different view about what makes a man look handsome. This is the same culture where slim, boyish idol groups are loved, and even Yoshida himself looks much more like that instead of the more "western" view of a man. (But even that would depend on where in the western world you would ask, and who you ask)

[Lauront]

you underestimate the power of a race with animals ears to the crowd that want male viera
if they are just a elezen with a miqote aesthetic(which yoshi has said) damn right they will blow Elezen and Roe out of the water possibly even rival Male Au ra and Lalafell

edit: also like to point out the guy who made the Elezen doesn't even work for SE anymore so very slim chance of the same issue with Elezen occurring again
neck seam,animation etc etc

It's not like this hasn't been brought to reivaxe's attention multiple times, and yet they keep repeating it again and again, ignoring the fact that Elezen are solely being used as a reference point. If they modified the model to make the females as fluid as they are, there is zero stopping them from doing the same for the males.

I don't doubt they would even like to rework the original Elezen.

There's multiple reasons to doubt that male Hrothgar would be as popular as male Viera and I've yet to see anything from reivaxe (or anyone else, for that matter) that really has done much to suggest otherwise barring speculation about suppressed demand for a beast race... which stats from other games don't really bear out. Even in WoW, it's at most 30%, and then split across very diffuse races with very different body types, and even then not all of that 30% is "bestial" - some is grotesque, e.g. Forsaken. They're not easily substitutable one with another, e.g. to borrow from another game, a serpentine with a feline race, or an orc with a troll.

Au ra may be tall, but they are still muscular and bulky. Also, I personally don't see male au ra as elegant, nor do I think they are "pretty".

They're not particularly elegant, no, which comes down to their boisterous (or as you say, savage) animations, but their facial options do fit the "handsome" category.

Guess you think Hrothgar females would be around as popular as Male Viera given that thread got 1154 likes, right?



Nope, they're tall slender men. Not bulky. They're just a different take on the body type.

You're opinion on their looks or persona doesn't change anything.

Yeah, everything not built like a refrigerator isn't bulky.

trufax

Anyway, continue adding whatever it is you think you're adding to the thread.

I agree with most of what lauront is saying though when comparing the male viera in his sig to the one in the concept art and that's what I think they'll most likely look closer to. A male elezen with broader shoulders and wider pecs, will I cry if they look any different though? not really and I wouldn't call them a waste of resources if they looked like something drastically different.

And maybe a bit more shredded. My point is that if that second pic is taken to be consistent with their vision for Viera based on Elezen, it shows you can add a bit more bulk and lose none of that identity in the process. Hence why I consider them to be discussing it as a reference point. I'm not going to ignore that they used the words which they used, it's just that you can make them a bit slimmer or bulkier and still have something modeled off male Elezen.

[zeylos]

Well YoshiP said that male viera were going to be kinda elezen with miqote face, so I guess they'll just make them like the females but as males