Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Senn]

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No, I don't think you explained reasonably well. Hrothgar is kind of irrelevant to this topic. What I'm talking about is that fact that Yoshida said they were musing on how male viera would look; elezen model with miqo'te esque face. I'm not talking about hrothgar and how it would fill a niche.

I do like the second one in the concept art, but it does not look like the one in your signature. It seems like we both agree the second one in the concept art is nice, but we both disagree about your sig. I find the picture in that signature misleading. If you were to simply tell me you liked the second one in the concept art, I'd be agreeing.

edit: I hit post limit

I, however, do think that Lauront explained his point reasonably well.

Yeah, I know you'd think that.

[Theodric]

No, I don't think you explained reasonably well.

I, however, do think that Lauront explained his point reasonably well.

[Lauront]

I’m satisfied it was explained well enough, since I also covered that earlier interview. However you’d like to describe it, it was him relaying an idea they were considering. Because of how that interview framed it, you need the the two interviews together to derive anything like a pattern of thought and my point is that the words they’re using are to fix a frame of reference in contrast to Hrothgar. Yes, they will probably be similar to Elezen but like I said, that could also entail a bit more muscle or a bit less.

Now as to that second image, we’ll just have to disagree - for some reason people seem to imbue the guy in the sig with a lot more bulk than is actually there. I don’t know whether it’s because he’s quite ripped, making it seem more pronounced, or what.

[Nalfein]

Of course, nothing is set in stone. However, we can still speculate with the information we have now. Unlike au ra back then, we actually know what the female viera model looks like, so we can make reasonable educated guesses. It doesn't mean anything is 100%, but it does tell you the likelihood of something. -and all I'm saying is that it's more likely male viera will look like what Yoshida described rather than not.

Au ra male and female are not quite the same and as far as i know they said they were looking for feedback. It's not unreasonable to to speculate how different they can be.

[MrKimper]

I mean Yoshida has gone on record to describe things in interviews that end up exactly how he's described. Blue mage, Red mage, Samurai even hrothgar were described in interviews and later released to the specifications of those comments. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say they already had/have an idea for the look of male viera but went with Hrothgar because as stated they felt it would fill a more needed Niche.

That being said whatever they do decide to do is up in the air, nevertheless they haven't shown that they accept feedback for graphical designs/updates outside of the gear design contest, I mean look at the Monster hunter event, everyone wanted a monster hunter set but they chose to go with a unique design instead, even the male bunny outfit is just the females tweaked slightly to fit.

I agree with most of what lauront is saying though when comparing the male viera in his sig to the one in the concept art and that's what I think they'll most likely look closer to. A male elezen with broader shoulders and wider pecs, will I cry if they look any different though? not really and I wouldn't call them a waste of resources if they looked like something drastically different.

[CoolDad]

The concept art looks fairly muscular to me too. I totally get why people are interpreting it in different ways though. They're tall and have slender waists (like Elezen) but they've also got thick, muscled deltoids, pecs, and arms in it. The middle one also looks more built (in general is more thick) than the other two as well, so I think people are unconsciously talking about different individuals when referring to that concept art as a whole.

I could see their builds going a number of ways, depending on what SE decides, but as long as their models are of similar quality to the females I'll be happy.

[savageink]

Nope. It's stated how male viera we like keeper of the moon miqote, so they exist but are fewer and don't live with females

Hence the term "retcon". ...you guys have quite the circle jerk going in this thread. It's getting to be worse then the original Viera thread.

[Senn]

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Just the opposite, actually. We've been doing nothing but disagreeing these past few pages.

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oh, wait wait wait
You're that one guy who really didn't want viera to be added, right? From the original thread?
How does it feel now that the females have been added? :^)
I'm sure going to have a blast with my female viera alt

[reivaxe]

This thread was pretty spicy 2 days ago lol

If we go by xivcensus's data on the two races' most similar representations today, male viera would be played by more than female and male hrothgar combined.

If they wanted to add more racial diversity then this isn't just about volume of players using the thing, but an artistic decision.
And "reinforcing old gender aesthetic stereotypes and restricting player expression is uncreative, boring, and regressive" is a valid criticism to apply to this artistic decision.

I find it so interesting that people here want to attach Viera males to cato bois when ... the Viera are literally described as looking like elezen with bunny ears. Yoshi even suggested they would legit just be elezens with different ears. So you'd be better off compared them to Elezen numbers which ... are right in line with roebros. But I guess that would look bad, right?

[Duskane]

This thread was pretty spicy 2 days ago lol


I find it so interesting that people here want to attach Viera males to cato bois when ... the Viera are literally described as looking like elezen with bunny ears. Yoshi even suggested they would legit just be elezens with different ears. So you'd be better off compared them to Elezen numbers which ... are right in line with roebros. But I guess that would look bad, right?

you underestimate the power of a race with animals ears to the crowd that want male viera
if they are just a elezen with a miqote aesthetic(which yoshi has said) damn right they will blow Elezen and Roe out of the water possibly even rival Male Au ra and Lalafell

edit: also like to point out the guy who made the Elezen doesn't even work for SE anymore so very slim chance of the same issue with Elezen occurring again
neck seam,animation etc etc