Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Physic]

You say I am okay with wasting the time of the player, but the same consideration is not offered to the rest of the group? At the core you are saying tank is rare so they are entitled to special treatment. We are players working together not products.

Also you are extremely upselling tanking while downplaying healing and dps to an insulting degree and I do not even heal or play dps roles.

while i disagree with his argument in terms of complexity (doing all that isnt that complex)

it is accurate the tank does have most of those responsibilities, and they are designed to be better at it. The fact that people want to kick tanks for pull speed, implies it is mostly the tanks responsibility.

Even by the kick standard of reasoning, the tank has more control over this, because he makes those descions, 2 people together only have veto power.

So yes, pulling is the tanks responsibility, controlling the flow, and their performance has the most effect on how well thats done.

Now to your original point, is it unfair to give tanks more leeway in how to perform thier role than other jobs? Yes i think its unfair. Kicking dps for having min ilevel gear, but still passing dps checks would be out of line. Kicking healers for not dpsing, also is a bit out of line.

but if you believe in kicking people for merely passing(not excelling) the role checks for each job, then there is no reason not to kick a tank as well, besides the fact you will probably wait longer to replace them. And there is no guarantee the next guy would be better.

kicking players when you already have a replacement is looked at with suspicion, and for good reason. Its kind of a dishonest use of random duty finder players.

[Hash_Browns]

Kicking healers for not dpsing, also is a bit out of line.

I get the feeling that a tank not pulling is the least of this games coddling issues if things like this are being said.

[Physic]

I get the feeling that a tank not pulling is the least of this games coddling issues if things like this are being said.

yeah the game coddles players, any MMO requires that it coddles players some where. This game is way more coddling than Ffxi was, so yeah they have to actually allow these people they have courted to be able to log in, do some content and get a feeling of progress.

the designated game mode for that standard low requirement play is duty finder dungeons.

i am all for harder dungeons, events, zones, raids, whatever. I am down with letting players make more decisions about how they play their class, pr what their classes are capable of, or high skill ceiling classes.

But i am against punishing regular/weaker players in the content made for them, in the grouping tool made for them.

i would definitely be down with say, ex dungeons, with some higher requirement for entering, and kicking for being substandard being the norm. But thats not what level 70 dungeons are designed for, they are low level content meant to be the easiest way to progress. Its the bottom floor, kicking people from that is basically telling them not to play the game at all.

Also, SE has literally said they design encounters, even the hardest ones, where healer dps should not be a requirement. And since gear is the primary determiner of dps for dps classes, using their dps as a metric for skill doesnt hold water when they are new/recent to he dungeon, because their gear means their dps will be low. Which is what happens with roulette a lot. People who pick roulette are filling up slots for people who specifically selected the dungeon.

short version, i am 100% down with more challenging, less boring content with more player agency, and stringent filtering, but thats not really what duty finder dungeons are about.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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At the core you are saying tank is rare so they are entitled to special treatment.
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To be fair...
Tanks already receive special treatment due to rarity from the game itself...

Tank mounts for doing duties with other players.