Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post






there's three messages from gm's.
These messages do not provide anything I asked for. These are merely responses from GM in relation to reports. I asked you to provide sources that specifically states that the vote dismiss feature is used to remove a member from the group that does not perform to the standards of the group. I also asked you to provide a source that specifically states that jobs are required to do more in party play other than what I have provided in my source, i.e. large pulls, healers DPSing. You haven't done any of those.

The first response just states that they are going to look into the matter, and lets this person know that the four reasons listed for dismissal are not every possible reason to justify use of the vote dismiss feature. It actually goes both ways, and is stated to protect SE should they decide punish a player for reasons that are not specifically stated in the vote dismiss feature.

The second response states why a GM is unable to take action based on player dispute. To add further, you also need to understand that GM's don't really have much power other than being an in-game moderator. They cannot take action based on player dispute because they are instructed not to by their superiors. This does not mean that action cannot be taken against you. It just can't happen from a GM.

The third response simply shows that SE acknowledges that this is happening, and due to policies revolved around privacy, they cannot share the outcome of their investigation. Since this one differs from the first response in that matter; more than likely action was taken against the reported offender. This report definitely does not help your case. Like at all.

Another thing is SE is skating on pretty thin ice here, but not with group members choosing to kick players; it's actually with those being kicked. Someone with the right lawyer and enough money could take SE to court for a failure to enforce rules and policies resulting in a non-compliance with their ToS. If we ever see the information I provided in my source changed to something like, "All matters to the vote kick feature will be thoroughly investigated. Abuse of this system will NOT be tolerated." It would likely mean that someone did, or it was settled because SE's reputation was put on the line. If we ever see this, it will empower the GM's to take action.

Think of all the people in this thread who would love to take action against those who feel players are abusing this feature. Do you want to believe that no GMs out there feel like they do?