Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Awha]

Players are allowed to have basic expectations. Here are mine.

• Understand basic arithmetic and inequalities. e.g., 9x100 > 3x100 > 240
• Don't insult anyone.
• Don't purposely waste everyone's time.

DDs who refuse to AoE or who cast only ice spells fall into two categories.
(A) They don't understand which actions are more effective. If they are in this category, I will ask them to please AoE; or explain the basics of Astral Fire and Umbral Ice.
(B) They understand which actions are more effective but are willfully choosing not to use them. If they are in this category, they are purposely wasting everyone's time.

I'm not asking for 99th percentile play. Just don't sit there performing single target actions when you could be doing literally three times as much damage per GCD by AoEing. If you understand what actions are more effective, why would you not use the more effective actions.

I agree with you, if I was directly involved with the group in question before I filled in for the tank they removed all I would expect of them is to try.The important aspect for me is the ability to try. I do not care if someone tries and fails horribly, the fact they tried is all that matters. I will brick wall on the content for hours if need be if I genuinely feel the group is putting forth their best effort. Mainly that is where my confusion came from within the my discord group because people in said group were bashing those for removing the tank, yet they complain when they run into ice mages, non aoeing dps, melee rdm etc . . . and for me I see no difference between players like that not trying and sticking to what they feel comfortable with be for whatever reason and the tank in question not even trying to do larger pulls.

Granted I was not their so I can only go based off what they said in discord, so overall for everyone in the thread I apologize about the lack of details and missing context, was not present so only sense of context I get is from the players that were part of it.

I'm not advocating the bare minimum by any means, especially in an EX encounter but we're talking dungeons here. I am merely stating the facts, and even in a dungeon if a healer outright refuses to DPS when asked, then kicking them is only going to be a disservice because now you really can't pull large at all, and may not even be able to clear a boss depending on the encounter. PF is available if you want to create a group that must meet specific standards such as large pulls or healer DPS. This isn't what roulette is for though. You choose to roll roulette, you choose to roll with the punches. Simple as that. And complaints we wish to express about such encounters has a 2000+ page thread that most people go to when they want to vent instead of creating their own thread.

May I ask not sure if you have already answered it, but what you would say is a valid reason to use the vote kick feature? Should it only be used for extreme cases such as a someone going afk for an extended period of time? Someone being belligerent? Also this was not meant to be a vent thread more so a thread seeking differing views on the topic, since clearly people have differing views and I wanted to get a better understanding of every side.