Why are standards seen as a crime in this game?

[DPZ2]

Thanks for trying to aducate me but the point you are missing is that a normal pull is not one single mob, its several groups of mobs and if you don't use your AOE's in a situation like this you are a subpar player.

A 'normal' pull is a group of 3 mobs. That's the context of the original discussion, and it was accepted by the poster.

Do not count on DPS to use their AoE effectively if the tank also don't take into account positioning, timing, and DPS job.

As a dragoon, when a tank pulls three packs of mobs who encircle the tank, and every one of those mobs has a circular AoE, using straight-line AoEs while dodging mob AoEs doesn't work well.

As a summoner, if Aetherflow is on cooldown neither Bane nor Painflare is available. Shadow Flare is probably on cooldown as well, that stupid 60s recast isn't meant for speed-running an instance. Can't speak to Akh Morn, since my summoner is only level 69, but I don't really see using that against mobs.

As a Bard, Quick Nock and Rain of Death work well against packs of mobs, but if you don't use Straight shot and [Venemous/Wind] bite first, your songs aren't going to be as effective, and you'll suffer a DPS loss because it's your Bite procs that enhance your crit chance.

Spamming AoEs without thought to the other parts of your rotation is also suboptimal.

[Ilan]

A 'normal' pull is a group of 3 mobs. That's the context of the original discussion, and it was accepted by the poster.

Do not count on DPS to use their AoE effectively if the tank also don't take into account positioning, timing, and DPS job.

As a dragoon, when a tank pulls three packs of mobs who encircle the tank, and every one of those mobs has a circular AoE, using straight-line AoEs while dodging mob AoEs doesn't work well.

As a summoner, if Aetherflow is on cooldown neither Bane nor Painflare is available. Shadow Flare is probably on cooldown as well, that stupid 60s recast isn't meant for speed-running an instance. Can't speak to Akh Morn, since my summoner is only level 69, but I don't really see using that against mobs.

As a Bard, Quick Nock and Rain of Death work well against packs of mobs, but if you don't use Straight shot and [Venemous/Wind] bite first, your songs aren't going to be as effective, and you'll suffer a DPS loss because it's your Bite procs that enhance your crit chance.

Spamming AoEs without thought to the other parts of your rotation is also suboptimal.

A "normal" pull is not 3 mobs. 3 Mobs is a small pull.

Really? You dot mobs first as a BRD? Again thanks for educating me but i know that too. The point is, and yes i WILL name the number of mobs extra for you now, if a tank pulls 6+ mobs, that are not impossible to hit properly with an AOE, and the dps still uses single target skills he/she is subpar.

[Feidam]

A "normal" pull is not 3 mobs. 3 Mobs is a small pull.

Really? You dot mobs first as a BRD? Again thanks for educating me but i know that too. The point is, and yes i WILL name the number of mobs extra for you now, if a tank pulls 6+ mobs, that are not impossible to hit properly with an AOE, and the dps still uses single target skills he/she is subpar.

A normal pull is the number of mobs that are clumped up(usually 3). Tanks running and grabbing multiple sets are large pulls which is the norm due to gear levels.

I do not think a certain level of expectation is bad honestly. What I think is bad is when people expect others to play perfectly all the time. No mistake always 100% optimized remember every aspect of every fight ever created. And yes those people exist and they tend to be loud with their displeasure imo. It’s not uncommon for hardcore players to expect that level of play from people who have no interest it. I’ve seen many players berated because of it. When while they were not optimal they actually capable of meeting the contents requirement. However, instead of 15 min run it took us 20 to 25 mins. Then they go off about learn your class, just quit the game etc. I can understand why some have become super defensive as this attitude is present in most games i’ve Played.

Players have to keep in mind too sometimes players are just toxic regardless of skill level. Just blacklist and move on.report if the toxicity warrants it. Sometimes players are just bad. They try but will always be on the bad side. It is what is.