Why is the majority of the content in the game not ilv capped???

[ZellosWilder]

We can't have more challenging content because every time challenging content appears, people complain about it. And it started in 2.0 with the original Pharos Sirius and Amdapor Keep dungeons. (Demon Wall used to have bees - did you know that? They took them out because people said they were too hard.)

Other content that I've known to be asked to be nerfed:
- Final Steps of Faith
- Weeping City of Mhach
- Dun Scaith
- Baelsar's Wall (I think I saw a thread appear here saying it was too hard back in the day)
- Royal Menagerie
- Castrum Fluminis
- Rabanastre
- Ridorana
- The Will of the Moon MSQ instance
- The most recent MSQ instance
- The Burn

From MSQ solo instances to dungeons to 24-mans and 8-mans, people complain. And none of these pieces of content are particularly hard to begin with, but people don't want to put in effort for them. And the developers don't want things to be too punishing (outside of high end content, which is still not nearly as punishing as it used to be - barring Ultimate, but they've said Ultimate is a completely different beast of a content compared to anything else in this game). So, everything is easy and the syncs aren't as strict. Honestly, leveling dungeons have stricter syncs than the Expert dungeons, but Expert dungeons have been jokes for a while now - even while current.
Never forget doing Swallow's Compass for the first time and healing purely with oGCDs and a regen (or Eos + Excog when I did it on SCH).


Best thing I can suggest is trying to find a group of like-minded people, and do the content at minimum item level or lower if you really want a challenge. Or you could try your hand at Ultimate, which does enforce a strict sync to preserve difficulty - UCoB is i345 and UwU is i375.

Those content that you list has nothing to do with the actual ilv being the problem tho it's either because players did not understand the mechanics of the fight or it is because they were poorly designed by the developers like steps of faith where failing to grapple the dragon more than once = game over pretty much thats why they asked for it to be nerfed. Also content which is recent should be harder because it has to start hard then become easier it's never going to be the other way round, players ain't going to ask the devs to make a fight harder when it has just been released.

I'm also not asking for more challenging content, the amount of challenging content that already exists is fine you have completely missed my point.

I'm specifically talking about balance of ilv of content where there is room to ease the content to clear but at the same time not ruining the whole fight/content completely this is mostly aimed at content which is older from each expansion not the latest content per expansion.

The developers need to go through each dungeon/raid/trial from each expansion and find the right balance of min ilv and max ilv.

[Nanami_Naniwa]

As someone who upped his classes with leveling, Trials, alliance and msq roulette only.... This should be a zhing. Please don't allow my undergeared tank to be put in charge for a Level 69 dungeon. chances are actually pretty low that you end up in a dungeon 60+ when doing leveling but it happens - and well, if you are only leveling with roulettes anyway there isn't much gear dropping on the way besides the 260 you get from currency.

let's just say that doman castle was a hard one.... oh and before you are getting angry - in cases like that I always ask if the group want to give it a try regardless of my bad gear or if i should just leave.

[Laphael]

I think they should address 2 issues with roulettes.
It should not be possible to avoid content in roulette by lowering your ilvl on purpose. Yes, LotA is faster than Dun scaith, but roulette is there to fill queues.
That means, the requirements would not only have to be tied to your ilvl but also the ilvl must be tied to your actual lvl.
So, for example, if im lvl 61 i need a min ilvl of 250 (for example) to even join any roulette.
That would at the same time fix the issue with ilvl in leveling roullette.
After that, we only need those ilvl restrictions for the direct queue for the leveling dungeon.

[Commander_Justitia]

ilvl may be too high now for some dungeons or raid, but I think we shouldnt search a solution in balancing that.
I would like to see dungeon achievements similar to other MMO, with the intend to deliberately make a boss mechanic harder to you and I would just make it require minimum ilvl but still be accessible by dutyfinder(so no premade required, could be done with a check in the duty finder option, similar to PvP freelancer). It creates replay value, a challenge for players who want more difficult 4man or 8man content without directly jumping into savage or ultimate. There could be specific titles and a mount for x number of dungeon achievements obtained as rewards. And boom you suddenly have content for weeks.
Idk why they already track dungeon completion time since ages, it has no use yet. Did they wanna create speed run competitive pve content similar to mythic dungeon in wow?

[Beeftotem]

The developers need to go through each dungeon/raid/trial from each expansion and find the right balance of min ilv and max ilv.

Why though? What benefit would that provide to anyone?

What you are asking for is not something that can be adjusted in a weekend.

I don't think you understand exactly what would need to be done to make something like this work, or what the effects it would have on said content. Take wow for example, their timewalking raids are basically what you are asking for but a huge portion of the wow population don't do them because of either the time investment( which is not much) or the added difficulty that having your ilvl scaled down adds. Why do you think people run older raids and not current ones? Making older content take longer would only make that older content less populated.

[OcieKo]

Do you realize the min-ilvl is intentionally set quite low? A better difference baseline would be drop ilvl vs. max ilvl, as opposed to min ilvl vs max ilvl. The min-ilvl is only there to keep someone from being completely useless and getting one shot or generally destroyed by basic mechanics, most dungeons are balanced around the ilvl of the gear that drops. Min-ilvl being set low is also to allow NEW PLAYERS to progress easier without having to grind their gear all the way up to max before progressing forward. Imagine if all the raids required the last raids drop ilvl to be min-ilvl to even attempt, it would take forever to get to current.

Also I'd say there's a bigger need to add min-ilvl to post-ARR leveling content, ARR is odd enough that having ilvl reqs in leveling would be rough to say the least. HW/SB/ShB all have a fairly consistent gear flow so a pretty weak ilvl req should be usable. At least to the point of last MSQ reqd ilvl, i.e. SHB level dungeons requiring i360+ at least, probably even i380-i400+ by lvl 77.

No dungeon has more than a 90 split from avg ilvl req and max ilvl. Trials and Raids are only restricted by character level, so once ShB starts they'll be locked at 70 ~i400. If you count drop ilvl vs max ilvl Hell's Lid and Fractale Contiuum (Hard) only have a split of 75 ilvls they drop i325 which can be said is what the content is balanced around. Looking back at Heavensward, 90ilvl split from min-max of expac, 75 ilvl split from drop to max of expac, this expansion is holding true to that. ARR was a 50 ilvl split between min and max, but also had twice as many dungeons.

Even Labs/Syrcus/WoD is effectively an ilvl split of 80 given that lvl 50 max ilvl is i130. Both ARR and HW Raids and Trials are only limited by level. As most of it is considered side content, thus not required, or it is MSQ thus requiring easy of entry.

Also since you keep stating this is an MMO yet you want the non-social system of matchmaking to take care of the keeping content difficulty at original settings... And then eschew the difficulty of having to actually interact and find people of a like mind to create those circumstances... I can't figure out if you think MMOs are supposed to be social or not, you claim they are, but you seem to despise actually having to you know... say Hi to people...

[Beeftotem]

Those content that you list has nothing to do with the actual ilv being the problem tho it's either because players did not understand the mechanics of the fight or it is because they were poorly designed by the developers like steps of faith where failing to grapple the dragon more than once = game over pretty much thats why they asked for it to be nerfed. Also content which is recent should be harder because it has to start hard then become easier it's never going to be the other way round, players ain't going to ask the devs to make a fight harder when it has just been released.

I'm also not asking for more challenging content, the amount of challenging content that already exists is fine you have completely missed my point.

I'm specifically talking about balance of ilv of content where there is room to ease the content to clear but at the same time not ruining the whole fight/content completely this is mostly aimed at content which is older from each expansion not the latest content per expansion.

The developers need to go through each dungeon/raid/trial from each expansion and find the right balance of min ilv and max ilv.

After going back and rereading what was said here, I think you are missing your own point, or you don't understand what you want.

You want old content to not be trivial, but you don't want it more challanging. How exactly does one go about doing this? By making a currently ignored mechanic something that can't be ignored automatically makes that particular mechanic more challanging, which in turn makes that encounter more challanging.

[ZellosWilder]

Me and my friend just did the Byakko Extreme fight yesterday and we went in blind with a party finder "practice" group 5 players were new and had no clue about the fight what so ever, most players like myself went in blind without any clue of what to expect apart from doing the normal version and we were expecting to wipe a few times but we beat it 1st time... I made a couple mistakes and there were about 3 deaths most players were around ilv370-380 (i was 372) and the entry requirement is ilv340 so 30-40 ilv over and we found it way too easy we skipped some mechanics towards the end because we were doing too much dps.

This fight was suppose to be the "Extreme" version but I found the normal version to be more challenging and more fun -.- all because of player's ilv being too high since there was no ilv cap. :/ extreme fights are suppose to be challenging and not be expected to clear straight away... so why don't they ilv cap them at a certain ilv so it remains that way.

[ZellosWilder]

Why though? What benefit would that provide to anyone?

Erm... because currently it makes the majority of the game boring? You do realise that having no ilv max makes the fight completely pointless and not fun for players who want to keep the fight/mechanics intact for the future, whether you are a player who likes to redo older fights for "the actual mechanics" or are experiencing it for the 1st time some players don't want to just steamroll through everything.

What you are asking for is not something that can be adjusted in a weekend.

It wouldn't take that much time for devs to make these adjustments if they ever consider it since the system already exists in the game it's called ilv sync. Why bother only half-arsing doing a few dungeons with min ilv and max ilv? why not do all of them? as I already mentioned that the dev team most likely tests content already during the development of creating dungeons/raids/trials of what ilv entry is required for them so it's not exactly going to take much longer for them to realise what is too much.

[ZellosWilder]

I don't think you understand exactly what would need to be done to make something like this work, or what the effects it would have on said content. Take wow for example, their timewalking raids are basically what you are asking for but a huge portion of the wow population don't do them because of either the time investment( which is not much) or the added difficulty that having your ilvl scaled down adds. Why do you think people run older raids and not current ones? Making older content take longer would only make that older content less populated.

What you are saying here makes no sense, how does older content taking longer to finish make it less populated...? as to the opposite of what we are getting in FF14 now which is if everything being easy to complete then nobody is looking to do it anymore as they are only needing to do it once in short space of time so after you have done everything there is no reason to go back and do older fights as gear was the only incentive and since doing the actual fight is no longer fun anymore as you can literally skip most of the mechanics there isn't any replayability unless you are only doing it for tomestones in rou and not for the actual fight/mechanics because you found it fun. And because you finish everything so fast due to everything being too easy there is nothing else left to do except for waiting for the next patch.

Older content shouldn't just be swept under the rug and overlooked or just cleared quickly just because it isn't irrelevant to the current expansion endgame. I found Titan Ex, Levi Ex, Shiva Ex and T5 T8 T9 Coil and even the alliance raids to be some of the most fun fights in the game in ARR but now nobody is looking to do them anymore because they can be done solo or low man them at lv70 so nobody is doing them how it was suppose to be like. The way most MMORPGs and FFXIV work at the moment with adding new expansions making older expansions dead is an old and outdated formula. Many players from WoW and FFXI were asking for legacy/classic servers because they can't experience the game anymore like it used to be.