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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeftotem View Post
    I don't think you understand exactly what would need to be done to make something like this work, or what the effects it would have on said content. Take wow for example, their timewalking raids are basically what you are asking for but a huge portion of the wow population don't do them because of either the time investment( which is not much) or the added difficulty that having your ilvl scaled down adds. Why do you think people run older raids and not current ones? Making older content take longer would only make that older content less populated.
    What you are saying here makes no sense, how does older content taking longer to finish make it less populated...? as to the opposite of what we are getting in FF14 now which is if everything being easy to complete then nobody is looking to do it anymore as they are only needing to do it once in short space of time so after you have done everything there is no reason to go back and do older fights as gear was the only incentive and since doing the actual fight is no longer fun anymore as you can literally skip most of the mechanics there isn't any replayability unless you are only doing it for tomestones in rou and not for the actual fight/mechanics because you found it fun. And because you finish everything so fast due to everything being too easy there is nothing else left to do except for waiting for the next patch.

    Older content shouldn't just be swept under the rug and overlooked or just cleared quickly just because it isn't irrelevant to the current expansion endgame. I found Titan Ex, Levi Ex, Shiva Ex and T5 T8 T9 Coil and even the alliance raids to be some of the most fun fights in the game in ARR but now nobody is looking to do them anymore because they can be done solo or low man them at lv70 so nobody is doing them how it was suppose to be like. The way most MMORPGs and FFXIV work at the moment with adding new expansions making older expansions dead is an old and outdated formula. Many players from WoW and FFXI were asking for legacy/classic servers because they can't experience the game anymore like it used to be.
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    Last edited by ZellosWilder; 04-17-2019 at 08:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZellosWilder View Post
    I found Titan Ex, Levi Ex, Shiva Ex and T5 T8 T9 Coil and even the alliance raids to be some of the most fun fights in the game in ARR but now nobody is looking to do them anymore because they can be done solo or low man them at lv70 so nobody is doing them how it was suppose to be like.
    No, nobody is doing them because they're EX/Savage content that responsible players know to come prepared for, but people in Duty Finder queue for them thinking they can come in blind and get easy clears because they're old content. Those of us who roulette into EX primals and don't just leave immediately are burdened with typing out a novel to explain the mechanics, which promptly get ignored; and how dare we be so elitist as to suggest that people should /partyfinder their EX primals even if they want to do them syncked, because party finder is only for elitists and cowards who can't beat it syncked.

    If you want to add an iLv cap to each of those fights, fewer of us will be willing to stay and deal with the even bigger mess that each run will become, and then 0/10 roulette EX primal runs will succeed instead of the roughly 3/10 that succeed now.

    This is why content doesn't have an iLv cap unless it's Ultimate, and Ultimate doesn't experience the problem because (1) it's not in roulette and (2) people tackling ultimate understand what they're signing up for and don't come in blind unless the party specifically allows it.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 04-18-2019 at 05:29 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeftotem View Post
    After going back and rereading what was said here, I think you are missing your own point, or you don't understand what you want.

    You want old content to not be trivial, but you don't want it more challanging. How exactly does one go about doing this? By making a currently ignored mechanic something that can't be ignored automatically makes that particular mechanic more challanging, which in turn makes that encounter more challanging.
    No.... I know exactly what I mean, it's you missing the whole point...

    Just because you add a ilv cap to content more towards the ilv that it was designed to be, doesn't make it more challenging... it makes it as intended... at the very most it only makes it as challenging as it was from the start. (Do you understand this?) "IF" I was asking for content to be harder than what it was intended to be from the start then that's asking for it be more challenging.

    There's a huge difference between steamrolling through content being 80-100 ilv over vs doing them more towards what it was designed for only being 0-30 ilv over. (ilv needs to vary on the content as some are easier/harder than others)

    Also when coming up with a solution, you also can't just dismiss all players as some players (not me) need some extra ilv over the required amount of entry to ease players into clearing them without it being too difficult for them but at same time players shouldn't have too much ilv where it ruins the content/fight of what it was designed to be which is why I've stated many times there needs to be a ilv balance. Currently the game does not have this balance only some dungeons which you can clearly see in duty finder which have the ilv sync icon on them.
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    Last edited by ZellosWilder; 04-17-2019 at 08:11 PM.

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    Zehtscht Arkes
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    I kind of consider myself a casual player and I prefer my experiences to not be too frustrating. I'm actually happy the dungeons are easier/smoother?

    For example, Aurum Vale is one of the hardest unfriendly dungeons for beginners and wish it was a tad bit easier.
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    As much as I would like for content to be synced correctly so mechanics actually matter, I just had a run of LotA where people messed up multiple fights causing a handful of wipes. As nice as it would be for content to stay relevant as ilevel increases, some people are just beyond stupid and can't do the most basic stuff in the game.
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