Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

[Legion88]

So it is against the "rules" to level a job to 50, just equip it with my 50 gear from the quests and some random junk and go further with PotD and HoH and not upgrade any of my gear and then roll into roulettes and just get what i'm eligable to queue for usually with my level and equipment?

[CorbinDallas]

i wasn't getting mad about it, and play through whatever content a Roulette gives me.

and there's absolutely nothing petty about wanting to prevent people from abusing the roulette.

and true, if you want to play specific content queue for it. however, having to queue for an Alliance Raid in specific to snag your weekly loot is less likely when hitting up the roulette each day.



it really doesn't matter what counter-argument people make. it won't change the fact people abuse the roulette. and it won't change the fact that this has an impact on up to 23 other people they are grouped with. again, something should be done to prevent abusing the roulette. that is all i am saying.


is there really something sooo wrong with wanting to prevent people from abusing the roulette?

But it doesn't impact 23 other people, you don't get it. By queueing into a roulette, everyone agrees to accept what result they get. Everyone gets the same roulette bonus rewards at the end of the run, regardless of which raid it is. I fail to see the issue here.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

So it is against the "rules" to level a job to 50, just equip it with my 50 gear from the quests and some random junk and go further with PotD and HoH and not upgrade any of my gear and then roll into roulettes and just get what i'm eligable to queue for usually with my level and equipment?

not even remotely similar. i am talking about people purposely lowering their AIL so the roulette has no choice but to force that player and 23 others in only 1 of 2 Alliance Raids. because they want the quickest or easiest possible run, 23 other players miss out on the possibility of running content that is actually relevant to them.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

But it doesn't impact 23 other people, you don't get it. By queueing into a roulette, everyone agrees to accept what result they get. Everyone gets the same roulette bonus rewards at the end of the run, regardless of which raid it is. I fail to see the issue here.

the issue is that while doing your daily roulette throughout the week, there is a rather good chance you get a raid that is actually relevant to your level of progress within the game.

so, when you go through the week and don't get that, you have to wait for what could be a 30+ minute queue for selecting one alliance raid in particular.

so yes, this does have an impact on others. it isn't right for people to abuse/manipulate the roulette by doing this type of thing.

[Nonuel]

If this is true, I don't know why people would even wanna do that. For quick and easy rewards, I guess... But the Legacy of Allag and everything else except Orbonne are all boring because the iLVLs cap way too high.

My last roulette I got Syrcus Tower, someone groaned and called it a snooze. Maybe if they kept the raids at least similar challenge as each other, it might not be worth exploiting the DF?

[CorbinDallas]

the issue is that while doing your daily roulette throughout the week, there is a rather good chance you get a raid that is actually relevant to your level of progress within the game.

so, when you go through the week and don't get that, you have to wait for what could be a 30+ minute queue for selecting one alliance raid in particular.

so yes, this does have an impact on others. it isn't right for people to abuse/manipulate the roulette by doing this type of thing.

I don't know about anyone else, but I personally wouldn't place my faith into a roulette to put me in Orbonne every week, I would just queue for it.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

If this is true, I don't know why people would even wanna do that. For quick and easy rewards, I guess... But the Legacy of Allag and everything else except Orbonne are all boring because the iLVLs cap way too high.

My last roulette I got Syrcus Tower, someone groaned and called it a snooze. Maybe if they kept the raids at least similar challenge as each other, it might not be worth exploiting the DF?

maybe. there is always a possible solution in that, but i think this avenue has already been explored as a different topic of discussion for different reasons in the past. if i recall correctly, SE wants it so quicker clears can be made. this way, if we do happen to get a low-level instance, peeps can hurry on through to the next thing on their list.

i have played so many MMORPG, and some of them just set up to consume all your time completing daily/weekly task. some are so bad to the point that, by time you do finish, you have only 2 days left to do anything else. one thing i can happily say that hasn't been a problem in this game.

[HyperiusUltima]

Ok OP, I think you are missing what Obstruction of Gameplay is. I've had to file a report on a guy before who wouldn't move his big freakin' Behemoth off of an NPC so I could access PotD one day in Heavensward.

Obstruction of Gameplay is basically a player that is getting in the way of YOUR experience in dungeon, roulette, or basically anything. For example, let's say that I am trying to access a vital NPC(for instance, let's say we're trying to talk to Alphinaud) for the MSQ. If a group of people literally is sitting on Alphinaud and they all are on a bunch of whales covering both the icon AND the character, then that can be considered Obstruction of Gameplay.

In the sense you're trying to make is that you're entering Alliance Raid Roulette, but you are believing that people are abusing Average Item Level. HA! Only a bold fool would think that would be an obstruction.

Average Item Level is part of the gameplay itself, and if people decide to lower their Average Item Level for Syrcus Tower/LotA? Fine. Content in all instances are still being done through Roulette DESPITE what you think is going on, OP. The system does do a check on iLv before randomizing dungeons(Need at least Syrcus Tower) so that the player isn't overwhelmed(iLv 130 going into Weeping City of Mhach) by the raid itself.

[Hasrat]

You can't even really prove everyone's doing it to "abuse the roulette." Maybe players don't feel comfortable/confident healing/tanking 60/70 content, so they make sure they're queued into content they can feel reasonably competent in.

Now you have a situation in which said players are not only not being disruptive, but actively assisting the other players by ensuring that they're not put into content in which they feel they would only be a detriment.

Don't even know why you'd expect you're going to get something "relevant" from a roulette. Far safer assumption that you're going to get ARR content, because all ARR content is the most accessible.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Ok OP, I think you are missing what Obstruction of Gameplay is. I've had to file a report on a guy before who wouldn't move his big freakin' Behemoth off of an NPC so I could access PotD one day in Heavensward.

Obstruction of Gameplay is basically a player that is getting in the way of YOUR experience in dungeon, roulette, or basically anything. For example, let's say that I am trying to access a vital NPC(for instance, let's say we're trying to talk to Alphinaud) for the MSQ. If a group of people literally is sitting on Alphinaud and they all are on a bunch of whales covering both the icon AND the character, then that can be considered Obstruction of Gameplay.

In the sense you're trying to make is that you're entering Alliance Raid Roulette, but you are believing that people are abusing Average Item Level. HA! Only a bold fool would think that would be an obstruction.

Average Item Level is part of the gameplay itself, and if people decide to lower their Average Item Level for Syrcus Tower/LotA? Fine. Content in all instances are still being done through Roulette DESPITE what you think is going on, OP. The system does do a check on iLv before randomizing dungeons(Need at least Syrcus Tower) so that the player isn't overwhelmed(iLv 130 going into Weeping City of Mhach) by the raid itself.

i like your explanation, and thank you for taking the time to write it.

but i still can't help but to feel it wrong for players to manipulate the system in such a way.