Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

[Eldevern]

Kinda weird to read such thing : even with HIGHER ilvl as BLM, it happens I end in CT runs while I could be qualified to be in Mhach and so or Orbonne and so.

Then... where are the proof of abuse? If people are not far enough in MSQ to unlock higher raids or are running an alt, a secondary job and need training, you want to force them to run higher content... and then other players will complain the player is not good enough?

Even if I tag with 374ilvl I rarely do the last raids in roulette, last for example was... World of Darkness. You think people are abusing when the roulette tag just fill the empty slots.

You know, it is pretty easy to over gear with hunt and to have a level far above the MSQ with the bonus of XP (items, beginner bonus on a few servers, rest bonus, FC bonus, challenge log bonus and few other I maybe forgot).

On the opposite, I meet people with crafting or gathering gear to get the ilvl...

[Colino]

Then... where are the proof of abuse? If people are not far enough in MSQ to unlock higher raids or are running an alt, a secondary job and need training, you want to force them to run higher content... and then other players will complain the player is not good enough?

OP did specify some scenarios where it's very obvious people where cheesing their ilvl for that purpose. It's unfortunate but I find it not as bad as people who do Expert roulettes with less than minimum ilvl but manage to get in because of accessories, like a tank I bumped into recently who insisted on doing the newest experts with i330 weapon and couldn't keep hate off any of us.

And I see no point in calling OP a liar either, what they described is a perfectly reasonable scenario and although I never experienced it, it's very much in line with the other exploits people carry out in this game on the regular.

[Mavrias]

And I see no point in calling OP a liar either, what they described is a perfectly reasonable scenario and although I never experienced it, it's very much in line with the other exploits people carry out in this game on the regular.

no one is saying op is lying about seeing others drop their item level. everyone knows people do that.

what op lied about is knowing its against the terns of service because they reported someone over it and claiming the gm told them that the person they reported got a warning over it. A GM will never tell you about actions taken against another player as a result of your ticket.

[Alien_Gamer]

Your entire premise is based on someone's ail hindering your options for play. By your logic the lv 50 player that has not unlocked other parts of the game is hindering your options for play by joining the roulette. Why don't you report that player for obstructing your play? For that matter, my decision not to join the roulette is depriving you of a tank for a run which is hindering your options for play. Would you like to report me for violating the TOS for not doing the roulette? Nor are either of us

There is 0 difference between a lv 70 wearing lower level gear for a roulette and a lower level character wearing gear of that level. Neither is a violation of the TOS and neither are obstructing your play.

If you're concerned about the chance of getting the most current raid in your roulette then you should probably stop doing the roulette. The DF puts groups together then it filters it based on what requirements are met, then its a random roll. The roulette algorithm doesn't weight you towards the higher end of the raids, its a pure 1/9 chance to get any given raid with a full alliance of Ilv 380 characters. What this also means is after we get the 3 Eden raids, you'll have a 1/12 chance of getting the latest raid, in 6.5 it will be 1/15...see where this is going? The odds are not in your favor of getting the one you want based just on how the DF is designed.

When you consider that the DF is made for everyone and not just end game play then you also have to realize that includes people who have not reached end game or who haven't unlocked everything. There's simply more people who have unlocked the first set of alliance raids than there are people who've unlocked the rest so when it comes to the matching algorithm you have a higher chance of being partied with someone of lower level or who simply hasn't unlocked the higher level raids yet. This is not obstructing you, this is enabling all people to participate in the content. The roulette is there to party people together and it gives rewards to people for doing that in recognition of the fact that you likely won't get a high level roulette and the rewards those inherently bring such as gear.

You're always going to be more likely to get a lower level raid. Its not cheating or obstruction or against the TOS, its just how the population of the game is spread out. You aren't being denied anything or blocked from anything or have reduced chances of anything. If you want the higher level raids, queue directly like everyone else.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Your entire premise is based on someone's ail hindering your options for play. By your logic the lv 50 player that has not unlocked other parts of the game is hindering your options for play by joining the roulette. Why don't you report that player for obstructing your play? For that matter, my decision not to join the roulette is depriving you of a tank for a run which is hindering your options for play. Would you like to report me for violating the TOS for not doing the roulette? Nor are either of us

the biggest difference there is that that is out of the players control. nobody is trying to fault others for not having the same amount of progress, we all pay our own subscription fees. and maybe some just want to complete everything they think is worth holding back for before adding an expansion. ( i know how that is... some games you pay a sub and get all the DLC/expansion. and next thing you know you are swamped with quest and don't even know where to start. ) but someone removing gear to manipulate roulette results is a decided action. totally within a players control to not do.

[Hustensaft]

the biggest difference there is that that is out of the players control. nobody is trying to fault others for not having the same amount of progress, we all pay our own subscription fees. and maybe some just want to complete everything they think is worth holding back for before adding an expansion. ( i know how that is... some games you pay a sub and get all the DLC/expansion. and next thing you know you are swamped with quest and don't even know where to start. ) but someone removing gear to manipulate roulette results is a decided action. totally within a players control to not do.

That person is only changing the result of his own roulettte. It does not at any point impact where the roulette places you.

There are many people queueing directly for older raids or the new alliance raids, wether it is for quests, gear, glamour, or minion rewards. They are not queueing with the Alliance Roulette. Alliance Roulette's sole purpose is to help fill the queue for these people. Alliance Roulette's purpose is not for you to get additional rewards when running Orbonne Monastery. The reward for Alliance Roulette are the Roulette rewards, not the drops of whatever Alliance Raid you join into. Further, Alliance Roulette also offers a good junk of XP, and many players use it to level their jobs (or returner that gear up through Stormblood raids). Your chance to get Orbonne Monastery in Alliance Roulette is inherently the lowest.

You have no argument here, as you completely ignore the intended purpose of alliance roulette, and the people queueing for it.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

That person is only changing the result of his own roulettte. It does not at any point impact where the roulette places you.

There are many people queueing directly for older raids or the new alliance raids, wether it is for quests, gear, glamour, or minion rewards. They are not queueing with the Alliance Roulette. Alliance Roulette's sole purpose is to help fill the queue for these people. Alliance Roulette's purpose is not for you to get additional rewards when running Orbonne Monastery. The reward for Alliance Roulette are the Roulette rewards, not the drops of whatever Alliance Raid you join into. Further, Alliance Roulette also offers a good junk of XP, and many players use it to level their jobs (or returner that gear up through Stormblood raids). Your chance to get Orbonne Monastery in Alliance Roulette is inherently the lowest.

You have no argument here, as you completely ignore the intended purpose of alliance roulette, and the people queueing for it.

i understand what you are saying, but you aren't following. there are people queuing the Alliance Roulette and are outright stripping their gear to manipulate the results of that roulette. and all for the purpose of simply getting an easier/faster run. we all want the rewards on the roulette, it is why we do it. but that doesn't mean everyone appreciates the possibility of content that is most relevant to them to be potentially taken away from them. and, mind you again, not because of RNG. but rather because of someones choice to manipulate the roulette.


so, even with your point... say i strip down to the lowest possible AIL. this gives the roulette only TWO possible choices. say you are queuing for the 3rd Alliance Raid in the game. that means you will potentially sit there longer while i potentially take away 23 people from your Alliance. it will be impossible for me & you to get grouped together, and therefore also impossible for at least 23 other people to be grouped with you as well. i don't know how many people average the Alliance Roulette queue pool per hour, but i am willing to bet taking away 23 people is going to have an impact. this is especially true depending on the time of day/night you play. and still yet especially true if your data center isn't as heavily populated.

This. To "abuse" (in quotes because I don't agree it is abusive) the queue, they would have to strip down *before* they queued. Doing it after it pops has no effect.

Source: I do this for Trial Roulette when playing a job I am not particularly comfortable with in the highest trials.

this is true. it is why i changed my wording to manipulate.

and even though manipulating the Trials Roulette isn't going to have an impact on the possibility of someone getting loot that is relevant to- WELL, some trials in the roulette do have loot, but i don't think the relevance for that loot goes beyond personal desire for something say, like a glamour. regardless, manipulating the results of that roulette will potentially have an impact on people queuing for a Trial at higher AIL than the threshold you created to not go above.

Because you know which people queue with you?

Further, the dungeon is chosen before the queue pops. You can, after all, get a "time-elapsed" queue to pop for you - changing your itemlvl will at that point not alter what raid you join.

no, no. you misunderstand. what i meant is that the leader initiated a Ready check, and the character in front of me stripped down before hitting Ready.





P.S. i seem to have reached my daily post limit... didn't know such a thing existed. LOLOL

[Aramina]

You are claiming people are stripping down once the queue pops. That would do nothing. They would have to remove their gear before they queued for it to have any effect. Are you psychic? Do you know what people are planning to queue for anytime they change gear?

no, no. you misunderstand. what i meant is that the leader initiated a Ready check, and the character in front of me stripped down before hitting Ready.

So you are queueing with a premade? Why not speak up and tell the leader that someone in the group has changed gear to get something different than what the group agreed on rather than claiming people are breaking the rules. What you are now claiming is even *less* of an issue than I originally thought. You have complete agency in this situation. Don't like people in your group doing that? Leave the group.

[CorbinDallas]

I guess by the same token a level 70 queueing for Orbonne is obstructing gameplay for the 23 other level 70s who queued into the roulette hoping for Mhach. It's a ridiculous notion no matter which way you spin it.

[Espritduo]

The Alliance Roulette does not just pull in people queuing up for Alliance Roulette, it pulls in anyone doing any 24-man content for any reason. Right now, with all the megahype around Crystal Tower being super relevant to the next expansion, you're getting A LOT of people running the CT raid series to get ready for Shadowbringers, either because they never did or because they're refreshing themselves on the content before ShB. It's only natural that those will be the most common things you see in Alliance Roulette at the moment.