Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

[legione]

easy peasy ,synch everyone to the minimum ilvl need to clear each alliance raid.

ciao

[Legion88]

not even remotely similar. i am talking about people purposely lowering their AIL so the roulette has no choice but to force that player and 23 others in only 1 of 2 Alliance Raids. because they want the quickest or easiest possible run, 23 other players miss out on the possibility of running content that is actually relevant to them.

But you can't proof if you got draged down because the roulette hates you or someone queued directly for this duty included into the roulette you queued for.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

But you can't proof if you got draged down because the roulette hates you or someone queued directly for this duty included into the roulette you queued for.

this is true, but i know for a fact people are doing it. i have seen people come in the Alliance Raid naked and gear back up after entering. ( maybe that isn't proof, but what else could they be naked for? )

i have also recently dropped from a Full Party that was ready to go, because of not wanting the person right in front my character manipulating the results. the player stripped down, and i tried to ask them put the gear back. i didn't get mad at them or anyone else, but also didn't want to queue up for something that is more of a coin toss rather than an actual roulette.


i can understand where a lot of people are coming from in this thread. but is it really right to allow people to manipulate the roulette results? again, this has impact on up to 23 other people. i say up to, because not everyone cares. but surely there must be some people who do care. :/

[BunnyChain]

[Esp]

this is true, but i know for a fact people are doing it. i have seen people come in the Alliance Raid naked and gear back up after entering. ( maybe that isn't proof, but what else could they be naked for? )

i have also recently dropped from a Full Party that was ready to go, because of not wanting the person right in front my character manipulating the results. the player stripped down, and i tried to ask them put the gear back. i didn't get mad at them or anyone else, but also didn't want to queue up for something that is more of a coin toss rather than an actual roulette.

i can understand where a lot of people are coming from in this thread. but is it really right to allow people to manipulate the roulette results? again, this has impact on up to 23 other people. i say up to, because not everyone cares. but surely there must be some people who do care. :/

I don't think too many people are worried about it. Mostly because when it's the roulette, people are fine with whatever results they get from it. Its basically the requirement of the Roulette.

For me, I don't mind it since WoD is my favorite 24 man raid of the older ones, so if someone is dropping their Ilvl because they just don't want the more recent 24 man raids, all power to them. This is especially the case when it comes to Void Ark, since that is probably THE most boring 24 man created.

Honestly, if someone wants to get the newest raid, they will queue for it, because they need the rewards for the week. When it comes to trying for gear needed for their specific slot/job (And not these damn belts..), its just not efficient to try and fish for it through the Alliance Raid Roulette, that just doesn't make sense. Its this reason alone most will not see it as abusing the Alliance Roulette, because it just makes alot more sense to queue up for what you need, and do other things while waiting.

I understand your trying to fight the good fight here OP, and I'm sure someone out there may be feeling the same as you are, but I honestly don't think a large portion of the playerbase mind what they get in a random roulette, even if someone is dropping their Ilvls to get the easier raids. All that matters is the time spend, and the roulette rewards gotten.

That's about as real as I can be.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

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( or do quotes no longer count towards the character limit? )


yeah, totally understandable. i also wouldn't fish the roulette to get a specific duty. but also don't mind the possibility of getting the most relevant Alliance Raid throughout the normal weekly activity. it is just one less thing to do before the week is over, and people who would manipulate the roulette will potentially eliminate any such possibility.


it is a shame this topic hasn't really hit home anywhere. oh wells

[Jwrigh7784]

If people are indeed abusing the system in this way than I support the idea of some sort of enforcement. When a person queues up for a random duty they should be prepared to accept whatever duty pops up, period. People who game the system simply because they want easy rewards infuriate me. I imagine SE didn't design the system to be manipulated like that. If it is indeed happening and, as I suspect, not designed to be manipulated as such I imagine they will come up with a solution to the problem. If this is something that they don't care is happening however, don't expect much to be done. I also want to point out that I believe you about the GM telling you what you told the forum. Technically, from what I understand, they aren't supposed to tell you what, if any, action was taken. I, personally, have been told of action taken against another play in a different MMO with the same policy, granted the GM got fired a few weeks later (have to wonder if it was because of that incident or not) but it did happen.

I also understand why people are so quick to call you a liar so try not to take offense at that (hard, I know). In my experience people just like to argue with things they have a hard time believing. Sometimes it devolves into personal attacks. I've been on the receiving end of that as well and it sucks. On the plus side, this community is far less toxic than that other MMO whose name I shall not mention. Try not to let people on here get under your skin, its tough when no one sees the point you are trying to make from your point of view but unfortunately its just human nature to disagree with one another. At the end of the day we are all just fans of this great MMO just wanting our experiences to be the best they possibly can be.

[Eldevern]

Kinda weird to read such thing : even with HIGHER ilvl as BLM, it happens I end in CT runs while I could be qualified to be in Mhach and so or Orbonne and so.

Then... where are the proof of abuse? If people are not far enough in MSQ to unlock higher raids or are running an alt, a secondary job and need training, you want to force them to run higher content... and then other players will complain the player is not good enough?

Even if I tag with 374ilvl I rarely do the last raids in roulette, last for example was... World of Darkness. You think people are abusing when the roulette tag just fill the empty slots.

You know, it is pretty easy to over gear with hunt and to have a level far above the MSQ with the bonus of XP (items, beginner bonus on a few servers, rest bonus, FC bonus, challenge log bonus and few other I maybe forgot).

On the opposite, I meet people with crafting or gathering gear to get the ilvl...

[Colino]

square doesnt have enough resources for something like that, but fret not they do have enough resources to lock more hairstyles and emotes behind MGP

I mean, considering that takes no resources at all I'm not sure what your point is. Furthermore, MGP is a joke to earn. I know people sat on millions of MGP who barely put any effort into earning them.

Had you said "Mogstation" instead I would have sort of understood.

sorry, maybe this isn't the ToS but...

The problem is they're not directly obstructing anyone but themselves really (lower rewards potentially). No matter which way you slice it it's not a ToS violation as annoying as it is.

[Eldevern]

To the OP, as an player since the Bêta, if you want to do the last raid, to get your drop, most of time you need to specificaly tag for the raid you want. Don't expect to go in the raid you want with the roulette. That's not designed for. On the opposite, it is made to help new players and allow players to run old contents. Have you never been obliged to run ten or more WoD to get your weekly drop? I did.

I mean, considering that takes no resources at all I'm not sure what your point is. Furthermore, MGP is a joke to earn. I know people sat on millions of MGP who barely put any effort into earning them.

Talk for lucky people XD... I have an alt who almost NEVER get de 10000MGP with daily tickets when other people sometimes get several times three tickets with 10 000. And the Revue is not really fair to new players (you need often need last gears from higher contents). Same with Chocobo, you need food or to be lucky with the bonus your chocobo gets.

Easy? RNG can be a total nightmare.