things I like to see for all tanks

[Daniolaut]

I think your Main Problem is, that you don't know how tanking works in this game, respectively how the hole game works.

Awereness is fine as it is. Locking it as a passive effect in tankstance is shit, because good players don't use tank stance in high end content. Just plan and use your cds
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These two statements dont go hand in hand.

A good tank is one that knows when to turn on tank stance and when to turn it off.

This includes turning it on to help a dps/healer, instead of staying in dps stance, losing threat, or dying and blaming the healer. There is a large array of players in this game, and I've seen numerous tanks refusing to swap stances and blame the party, wearing ultimate or savage weapons, get replaced, and then the party 1 shots the fight they were doing. I have seen it very very often.

I've seen healers let a dps die to cast another dps spell, tanks lose threat to a dps, and the dps die, I have seen countless issues such as these very very often. Being in dps stance does not, absolutely does not make you a good player at all.

This mentality of "being in dps stance makes me a good player" is very damaging to the success of the overall playerbase.

[CelestaRosa]

These two statements dont go hand in hand.

A good tank is one that knows when to turn on tank stance and when to turn it off.

This includes turning it on to help a dps/healer, instead of staying in dps stance, losing threat, or dying and blaming the healer. There is a large array of players in this game, and I've seen numerous tanks refusing to swap stances and blame the party, wearing ultimate or savage weapons, get replaced, and then the party 1 shots the fight they were doing. I have seen it very very often.

I've seen healers let a dps die to cast another dps spell, tanks lose threat to a dps, and the dps die, I have seen countless issues such as these very very often. Being in dps stance does not, absolutely does not make you a good player at all.

This mentality of "being in dps stance makes me a good player" is very damaging to the success of the overall playerbase.

finally someone who agrees with me thank you. I agree with you majority of tank players see their tank stance as "noob stance" and dont want touch it when they know should. not cool let dps die cause these tanks are stuck up

[Campi]

These two statements dont go hand in hand.

A good tank is one that knows when to turn on tank stance and when to turn it off.

This includes turning it on to help a dps/healer, instead of staying in dps stance, losing threat, or dying and blaming the healer. There is a large array of players in this game, and I've seen numerous tanks refusing to swap stances and blame the party, wearing ultimate or savage weapons, get replaced, and then the party 1 shots the fight they were doing. I have seen it very very often.

I've seen healers let a dps die to cast another dps spell, tanks lose threat to a dps, and the dps die, I have seen countless issues such as these very very often. Being in dps stance does not, absolutely does not make you a good player at all.

This mentality of "being in dps stance makes me a good player" is very damaging to the success of the overall playerbase.

You perfectly showed, that you don't understand how this game works^^
Maybe you should first get into Extreme Trials, Savage Raids and Ultimate Fights and then you will overthink your message.

"DPS-Stance" don't make you to a good player, i've never said that.
but only staying in tank-stance spaming 123 make you to a bad tank. I've seen a lot of such players, just looking like a bot. Tank-Stance, 123 and no Def-CDs used.

A good Tank takes far more less dmg, then you bad tank staying 100% in tank-stance.
If you know what to do, you never punish you healer with not using tank-stance.

I've cleared every content and in 99% you just need tank-stance for the pull to gain more aggro. That's all :shrug:


I just can't understand why ppl want a boring playstyle for tanks.
Maybe this is just the wrong game for you? There are many other games, where you can spam brainless aggroskills and do nothing else o:

[Tint]

I've cleared every content and in 99% you just need tank-stance for the pull to gain more aggro. That's all :shrug:

Sure, you don't need tank stance to clear the content per se - but you maybe will need it depending on your party. When you have good healers and DDs who know what they are doing you can sit in dps stance all day long. But when the healer is struggling and the DDs don't know what an enmity reduction tool is what are you doing then? Just wipe and blame the party for playing bad? Or do you pick up the slack by turning the tank stance on to get the extra defense to help the healers out and the extra enmity to stay ahead of the DDs?

Maybe you should read again what Daniolaut said. He never said you should be 100% in tank stance, he said a good tank adapts to the situation.

[ReiMakoto]

Sure, you don't need tank stance to clear the content per se - but you maybe will need it depending on your party. When you have good healers and DDs who know what they are doing you can sit in dps stance all day long. But when the healer is struggling and the DDs don't know what an enmity reduction tool is what are you doing then? Just wipe and blame the party for playing bad? Or do you pick up the slack by turning the tank stance on to get the extra defense to help the healers out and the extra enmity to stay ahead of the DDs?

Maybe you should read again what Daniolaut said. He never said you should be 100% in tank stance, he said a good tank adapts to the situation.

A good tank should never have to adapt to a situation. A good tank will be rotating cds/ generating emnity enough that they would never have to stance dance/ very rarely stance dance.

[Daniolaut]

You perfectly showed, that you don't understand how this game works^^
Maybe you should first get into Extreme Trials, Savage Raids and Ultimate Fights and then you will overthink your message.

"DPS-Stance" don't make you to a good player, i've never said that.
but only staying in tank-stance spaming 123 make you to a bad tank. I've seen a lot of such players, just looking like a bot. Tank-Stance, 123 and no Def-CDs used.

A good Tank takes far more less dmg, then you bad tank staying 100% in tank-stance.
If you know what to do, you never punish you healer with not using tank-stance.

I've cleared every content and in 99% you just need tank-stance for the pull to gain more aggro. That's all :shrug:


I just can't understand why ppl want a boring playstyle for tanks.
Maybe this is just the wrong game for you? There are many other games, where you can spam brainless aggroskills and do nothing else o:

How did I show I know nothing about the game?

Where have I not cleared savage, extreme trials?

You didnt teach me anything or show me anything or prove yourself right. You only said "123 tank stance" I know very few tanks who do that, conversely know many more tanks who refuse to use tank stance and cause wipe after wipe.

Sure, i'm using tank-stance when i have to, but these situations are very rare.


The Problem is, that the OP sees two different kinds of Tanks
- The ones who use Tank-stance
- The ones who use "Dmg-Stance"

Both Stances belong to a Tank. Neither the Stance, nor the Rotation makes you to a Tank or DPS
A good Player use his full Skillset and deals as much Dmg as possible to help clear the Fight faster, which means less healing is needed.
If you can play your Job well, you won't have any Aggro-Issues. There is no need for spaming Aggro-Combo and camping in Tank-Stance.

It's not directly what Daniolaut said, but what the OP wants.
I like playing this Game, and i don't want, that it will be changed to braindead playstyle, only because bad players want, that all others should be playing bad too. :shrug:

It's not directly what Daniolaut said, but what the OP wants.
I like playing this Game, and i don't want, that it will be changed to braindead playstyle, only because bad players want, that all others should be playing bad too. :shrug:

I beg your pardon?

Do tell me, how does it make one a "good player" to spam dps combo in off tank stance, while letting a dps, whom is doing more damage rip threat, when they are using diversion.

Or letting a healer rip threat after they have used lucid, because their co'healer doesnt know how and when to shield/heal.

I would honestly like to know since I"m "directly not knowledgable" and "clearly dont know anything" even though I've been playing since 2012...


No one here is saying you should post in tank stance spamming enmity combos. No one. We are saying, its sometimes intelligent to turn on tank stance to alleviate problems. and the mindset, of pretending you're a dps and never trying to maintain threat, letting people die, and not using defensive cooldowns, is terrible.



Lastly. Due to this mindset of "staying in off tank stance 100% no matter what" and people not trying to learn how to tank, losing threat in Sastasha, so on so forth, Square-Enix was "forced" to increase enmity gains 3 times over, making keeping threat a complete joke for those who actually are skilled at it. So your "fear of things being mindnumbingly easy" is already a reality for experienced tanks.

A good tank should never have to adapt to a situation. A good tank will be rotating cds/ generating emnity enough that they would never have to stance dance/ very rarely stance dance.

How does a "good tank not adjust" when doing a fight, say seiryu extreme or sephirot extreme, and not pick up adds, and a dps whom has to use diverion on the pull, and its not ready/back up for adds, and they rip threat and die cause the tank doesnt "stance dance." How does it make them good to let the dps die.

Or, when a WHM or Diurnal sect AST gets paired with a shield healer, who doesnt know how to shield, and then tops party off, when Heals over time is ticking and they are doing dps attacks and rip threat? And dont sit there and say "thats the healers fault" because the co'healer doesnt know how to heal...

point is, you said "good tanks never need to adjust" which is just not true. Bad tanks never adjust.

[ReiMakoto]

How does a "good tank not adjust" when doing a fight, say seiryu extreme or sephirot extreme, and not pick up adds, and a dps whom has to use diverion on the pull, and its not ready/back up for adds, and they rip threat and die cause the tank doesnt "stance dance." How does it make them good to let the dps die.

Or, when a WHM or Diurnal sect AST gets paired with a shield healer, who doesnt know how to shield, and then tops party off, when Heals over time is ticking and they are doing dps attacks and rip threat? And dont sit there and say "thats the healers fault" because the co'healer doesnt know how to heal...

point is, you said "good tanks never need to adjust" which is just not true. Bad tanks never adjust.

Okay now read what i said again, i said a good tank should never have to adjust by tank stancing. A good tank wiol be able to grab the adds and stay in dps stance and keep threat. Yeah bad tanks will never adjust, a good tank will never need to. Also your healer example, ye sorry bud that is the healers fault, you saying "dont say its the healers fault" doesnt change that. Healers have a powerful aggro tool so should not be ripping aggro easily at all