things I like to see for all tanks

[AleXwern]

Get rid of tanking and dps stances. When it is preferred for tanks to be in dps stance rather than tank stance then there is something fundamentally wrong with the game design.

After reading the whole thing that Odinel wrote and then this, just made me frustrated. Not mad, frustrated.

What does this supposed "tank stance" bring to a grand scheme of things? Does it make gameplay more engaging? Does it help me clear content and push raid performance? Does it make look back at my raid footage and plan my cooldowns in most RNG-proof manner as possible? Is there any way of improving oneself now that aggro is absolute non-issue ever and passive stance cuts the need for mitigation?
Even just simply put, is it/does it feel rewarding? Everyone can think that on their own.

I played PLD during ARR and looking back, sitting in Shield Oath and spamming RoH, because there was no other alternatives, just sounds so distant and mindbogglingly numb. I just can't understand why that should be the preferred way to tanking or why should we go back to it.

Tank stance, or rather "defensive stance", is training wheels and emergency button. It's there for newbies to learn the ropes and veterans to go "oh crap, time to eat penalty" when Vengeance isn't up for Savage Wave Cannon. That's how I prefer it: it's not something I want to actively use but it's there when I need it. It's something I can lean towards when everything else goes south.

[SargentToughie]

After reading the whole thing that Odinel wrote and then this, just made me frustrated. Not mad, frustrated.

What does this supposed "tank stance" bring to a grand scheme of things? Does it make gameplay more engaging? Does it help me clear content and push raid performance? Does it make look back at my raid footage and plan my cooldowns in most RNG-proof manner as possible? Is there any way of improving oneself now that aggro is absolute non-issue ever and passive stance cuts the need for mitigation?
Even just simply put, is it/does it feel rewarding? Everyone can think that on their own.

I played PLD during ARR and looking back, sitting in Shield Oath and spamming RoH, because there was no other alternatives, just sounds so distant and mindbogglingly numb. I just can't understand why that should be the preferred way to tanking or why should we go back to it.

Tank stance, or rather "defensive stance", is training wheels and emergency button. It's there for newbies to learn the ropes and veterans to go "oh crap, time to eat penalty" when Vengeance isn't up for Savage Wave Cannon. That's how I prefer it: it's not something I want to actively use but it's there when I need it. It's something I can lean towards when everything else goes south.

Keep fighting the good fight, brother. I'm thankful for the effort you put into your post.

I've given up on trying to convince the forums of this stuff ages ago.