Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

How foolish of us, obviously the preferred solution to this would've been no additional races at all to avoid the stress on the developers!

No additional features, at all, in fact. Just roll out the game as is on the Switch and leave everything as is.

[Kradus]

I mean, people have been calling for that too, just because they didn't get what they wanted. Like I said, this was the best solution they could reach. I've seen other gaming communities resort to childlike behavior when they disagreed with devs (Soulcalibur and Devil May Cry come to mind), but I wasn't expecting it to the extent I saw here. Calling the team "sexist and homophobic," despite them adding same sex marriage is asinine to me.

Strawmanning everyone you disagree with by pinning the weakest arguments of other people that you disagree with on them is not a rational way to go about things, either. People are allowed to give feedback on products that they are paying for. No amount of desperate flailing on your part will stop this, and the multimillion dollar corporation does not need you to shield them from criticism. If they decide it's something worth making, they'll do it. If they decide it's not worth it, they won't do it. That's all it comes down to, and part of deciding whether it's worth it for them in the long run is players making what they want heard.

[BillyKaplan]

Like I said, this was the best solution they could reach.

It was the solution they thought was best. It being the best solution they could reach is something else and many in the playerbase do not agree that it is.

Calling the team "sexist and homophobic," despite them adding same sex marriage is asinine to me.

Knowingly walking into a situation where you offer rugged, muscular, beastly men alongside lithe, beautiful bunny girls is sexist whether they intended it that way or not. The flip side of that is that they decided against adding beastly women and lithe bunny boys - two things that break what you usually see.
Devs stalling for literally years on unlocking the bunny outfit because it made their male developers feel uncomfortable so it had to be delegated to their female devs is a bunch of bad things there too. And it's not unrelated to this case because guess what - bunny boys. Yoshida saying male Viera would be weird (if indeed he meant it aesthetics wise and not "we never saw them before so suddenly having them would be weird") while adding female Viera into the game is problematic.

Say what you will, the amalgamation of all those things just looks bad.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

Noooo, you kinda are white knighting. I think a good majority of us do understand the development cost and work that goes into new races. But guess what? It's still important to me, so I'm still gonna talk about it. YoshiP said they will consider adding the Male Viera and Fem Hrothgar after looking at feedback. No promises, but at least we feel we will be heard. We're giving feedback.

Yeah, it is about gimme gimme. If something is important to you, you also have the right to make a thread and ask for it, that is what the forums are for. Just so happens that this topic seems to be more important than a lot of the other topics that have popped up, or they'd be getting the 1400 likes.

Listening to feedback doesn't mean they will actually do it. Yoshi-P didn't confirm nor deny the possibility of fem Hrothgar and male Viera, because he knows there'll be another backlash if he says there's no current plans. Look at what happened with the healer situation. Me white knighting would be me saying they could do no wrong and no one should ever argue with them. There's A LOT that I disagree with some of their decisions. But in terms of them making four new base models and making sure the entire game runs with them, is another story. This is including making them compatible EVERYTHING already in the game, as well as what's in the expansion. So no, I don't think you really understand, since you admit this is a 'gimme gimme' situation, rather than understanding what the dev team could actually do.

[MrKimper]

It looks like 1400 people have no concept of development time, cost, time it takes to make content, or budget. It's already explained why they've reached this decision and why the Fem Roe and males Miqo'te was doable 5 years ago, unlike now. But I guess people just hear the "let your voice be heard," without really thinking about what comes with it.

I've also been hearing something along the lines of "they've had two years to do ------." You don't really know what goes behind closed doors. They're killing two birds with one stone with this move (giving people both Viera and a beast-like race). Now these races need to have tens of thousands of gear pieces remade for each of them. That's literally double the amount. Now imagine if they had to do the same for both genders. Every race and gender uses a different model. So, this idea that Midlander, Highlander, Miqote, Elezen, and Au'Ra are somehow using the same base model is an outright lie. Hrothgar are not "basically Roes." And no, I'm not white knighting. I'm just being realistic as to what the dev team can do. But it's all about gimme gimme smh.

Realistically they won't ignore player feedback, feasible implementation or not.

[Eloah]

I just wanna point out, for those saying other genders of certain races are rare, that Roevember is a thing. So why dont we make months for the other races, lol, Let's see...

Hyur - Febhyurary
Elezen - ?
Lalafell - Lalapril
Miqo'te - Mayqo'te
Au Ra - Auragust
Viera - ?
Hrothgar - ?

[username1234]

A niche race like hrothgar is worth the cost but a missing gender with much higher demand isn't? SE isn't lacking in funds they should stop siphoning profits into vaporware like FF7R and reinvest back into their actual cash cow.

[Acesfool]

Knowingly walking into a situation where you offer rugged, muscular, beastly men alongside lithe, beautiful bunny girls is sexist whether they intended it that way or not.

No it isn't. Not even in the slightest way whatsoever. And claiming that it's sexist is just an attempt to bully them into giving you what you want.

[MrKimper]

Listening to feedback doesn't mean they will actually do it. Yoshi-P didn't confirm nor deny the possibility of fem Hrothgar and male Viera, because he knows there'll be another backlash if he says there's no current plans. Look at what happened with the healer situation. Me white knighting would be me saying they could do no wrong and no one should ever argue with them. There's A LOT that I disagree with some of their decisions. But in terms of them making four new base models and making sure the entire game runs with them, is another story. This is including making them compatible EVERYTHING already in the game, as well as what's in the expansion. So no, I don't think you really understand, since you admit this is a 'gimme gimme' situation, rather than understanding what the dev team could actually do.

There's multiple things the devs could have done.

1. Announce viera as genderlock before pre-orders went through.
2. Announce hrothgar beforehand.
3. Do a secondary poll to gauge interest on how a beast like/partial beastial race.
4. Delay Viera and implement full hrothgar.
5. Delay Hrothgar and implement full viera.
6. Not implement either race and double down on fixing current races and subraces.

Multiple multiple things, except they chose for resource and time management to release two races with more customization to try and appeal to both demographics, those that wanted viera, and those that wanted a beast like race. It obviously did not pan over well, and this isn't an issue of "gimme gimme gimme" whether the reason for yoshida adding male miqo'te, female roe's and female highlander was because at it's impetus the game had much less gear to manage, the locking of genders has historically been ill received by the community.

Male mithra existed and were long asked for during XI lifespan with the devs essentially trolling everyone and releasing a male mithra as an npc only race. Galka basically needed to be written as asexual to keep people from asking for female Galka, again whether you believe people are "whining" or being "un-realistic" the dev team realized there would be backlash yet did not prepare for it.

Also keep in mind the "Stop asking for things it'd be too much on the dev team" is just a fallacy, players and consumers should be allowed to voice requests and it is not silly or harmful to do so. I believe no one here is asking the dev team to work themselves to death, no one wants that, stop framing this as such people are voicing their desire for a feature not in the game, whether that be QoL fixes, BLU being unlocked or Furnishing designs, that is part of why these forums exist, for feedback.

[JmiAltoholic]

Sorry, I guess I should have elaborated a bit more. The people that want small, shots viera are creeps. I just didn't want to say the word itself, I figured saying so was enough. It creeps me the hell out and I know shotacons are rallying behind Male viera, and sexual dimorphism for them to be small. It makes me sick that they'd be taking advantage of a situation like this so they can demand sexualized little boys. Makes me sick and angry.

Also, weren't people angry about the sexual dimorphism with Au'Ra? Why are they demanding it now? Why is it okay now just because it's males?

Thank you for elaborating, Lewyn! Since I did mention sexual dimorphism in my previous post I thought I should elaborate as well. I definitely was not advocating for any form of shota style when it comes to a potential design for male Viera. I have seen others offer Omega-M as a potential body model. In my own mind I had pictured the male High Elves of Tera when I thought of a bodystyle; slender and wiry as opposed to bulky or over-muscled. I won't post an image link because competitive game and all. I was hopeful that they would use a height differential similar to what they did along the lines a maximum height Au'ra female compared to a minimum height Au'ra male when creating male Viera and female Viera respectively. The height differences between the Au'ra's genders was a feature I found very striking about them when they were released. The reverse is not something I can ever recall having as an option in any of the races of other MMORPG's I have played.