Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Kazran]

Nearly 1500 likes! Wow keep it up people!

I support our collected stance against gender locking. I shall now quote someone from a similar Reddit thread that I thought was both on topic and informative.

"Also, it's always explicitly implied the WoL (WoD now?) is an adventurer and adventurers generally buck tradition and cultural norms. Most Lalafell are merchants of some kind and mostly in Ul'dah - but you can still be a greatsword wielding crazy popoto who signed up with the Adders to fight the Empire. The PC in almost every game is a cultural exception due to necessity. While a Male Miqote player can CHOOSE to RP out the N'uhn climb liftstyle, most don't and the main plot-line certainly gives you little time for it.

This implies not even a single male Viera ever decides to leave their seclusion to seek adventure or life elsewhere. And that's ridiculous."

I also will hope that the missing genders will be added in, hopefully sooner rather than later, in patches similar to how NIN and BLU were added to the game.

That's what I keep saying! The lore is a shakey excuse at best! It's more unbelievable that not a single Male in all of history from birth to death has never deviated from the cultural norm.

And if they are gonna stick to their guns here the what's preventing all males ever from leaving? What's taking their choice away? It would feel quite nefarious!

And ffxiv has it's own lore separate from 12 and The other Ivalice titles and so things ARE different!

[Az-man]

Nearly 1500 likes! Wow keep it up people!

I support our collected stance against gender locking. I shall now quote someone from a similar Reddit thread that I thought was both on topic and informative.

"Also, it's always explicitly implied the WoL (WoD now?) is an adventurer and adventurers generally buck tradition and cultural norms. Most Lalafell are merchants of some kind and mostly in Ul'dah - but you can still be a greatsword wielding crazy popoto who signed up with the Adders to fight the Empire. The PC in almost every game is a cultural exception due to necessity. While a Male Miqote player can CHOOSE to RP out the N'uhn climb liftstyle, most don't and the main plot-line certainly gives you little time for it.

This implies not even a single male Viera ever decides to leave their seclusion to seek adventure or life elsewhere. And that's ridiculous."

I also will hope that the missing genders will be added in, hopefully sooner rather than later, in patches similar to how NIN and BLU were added to the game.

That's what I keep saying! The lore is a shakey excuse at best! It's more unbelievable that not a single Male in all of history from birth to death has never deviated from the cultural norm.

And if they are gonna stick to their guns here the what's preventing all males ever from leaving? What's taking their choice away? It would feel quite nefarious!

And ffxiv has it's own lore separate from 12 and The other Ivalice titles and so things ARE different!

I couldn't agree more! lore is a shoddy exscuse... My backstory (yup, i spent a week and a half making a backstory before we had the news ) made perfect sense for a male viera to be out off the wood... It was going to be along the lines of, His mother had around a dozen children who were 'born asleep'. Only one child survived after the tragedies that befell the mother over the years (Remember, VIera have a very very long lifespan). the child survived turned out to be a son at adolescence, knowing he would be taken away to become a wood warden she fled the forest with him. after losing many children she didn't want to lose her only one.

It made sense from a lore perspective and a behavioral perspective. if a mother had suffered many still births and miscarriges, she would do anything she could to cherish and protect her one and only child.

[VyelChuChu]

His mother had around a dozen children who were 'born asleep'. Only one child survived after the tragedies that befell the mother over the years (Remember, VIera have a very very long lifespan). the child survived turned out to be a son at adolescence, knowing he would be taken away to become a wood warden she fled the forest with him. after losing many children she didn't want to lose her only one.

It made sense from a lore perspective and a behavioral perspective. if a mother had suffered many still births and miscarriges, she would do anything she could to cherish and protect her one and only child.

oh my god ;__;

Nearly 1500 likes! Wow keep it up people!

I support our collected stance against gender locking. I shall now quote someone from a similar Reddit thread that I thought was both on topic and informative.

"Also, it's always explicitly implied the WoL (WoD now?) is an adventurer and adventurers generally buck tradition and cultural norms. Most Lalafell are merchants of some kind and mostly in Ul'dah - but you can still be a greatsword wielding crazy popoto who signed up with the Adders to fight the Empire. The PC in almost every game is a cultural exception due to necessity. While a Male Miqote player can CHOOSE to RP out the N'uhn climb liftstyle, most don't and the main plot-line certainly gives you little time for it.

This implies not even a single male Viera ever decides to leave their seclusion to seek adventure or life elsewhere. And that's ridiculous."

I also will hope that the missing genders will be added in, hopefully sooner rather than later, in patches similar to how NIN and BLU were added to the game.

Wonderfully summarized. I'm fine with waiting as well since Square seems to be working our poor devs overtime and then some for Shadowbringers.

[Vahlnir]

That's what I keep saying! The lore is a shakey excuse at best! It's more unbelievable that not a single Male in all of history from birth to death has never deviated from the cultural norm

They said the issue was money/time constraints. The lore around Viera/Hrothgar was written to provide an in-game excuse for the lack of male Viera and female Hrothgar. I think they should have given themselves more time and money though so...

[BillyKaplan]

The lore around Viera/Hrothgar was written to provide an in-game excuse for the lack of male Viera and female Hrothgar.

The problem with that is two fold. One - it's a weak excuse no matter how you slice it, unless the lore is "they die if they leave the forest" or something. In which case evolution would still be a thing. Two - they're trapping themselves in the case they do add them eventually...

[Vahlnir]

The problem with that is two fold. One - it's a weak excuse no matter how you slice it, unless the lore is "they die if they leave the forest" or something. In which case evolution would still be a thing. Two - they're trapping themselves in the case they do add them eventually...

Oh, I didn't say I agreed with it. Quite the opposite in fact. I'm just pointing out what they said. They didn't use lore as an excuse. They used lore to back up an excuse.

[Kazran]

They said the issue was money/time constraints. The lore around Viera/Hrothgar was written to provide an in-game excuse for the lack of male Viera and female Hrothgar. I think they should have given themselves more time and money though so...

For me this argument is a rebuttal to those opposed to the idea of Male viera being playable. The lore is shakey and filled with holes and is not a good stance to argue from.

Now I do agree that the devs should have put more time and money into the new race development. They would have know how much effort it takes to implement a new race after AuRa!

[Vahlnir]

For me this argument is a rebuttal to those opposed to the idea of Male viera being playable. The lore is shakey and filled with holes and is not a good stance to argue from.

Now I do agree that the devs should have put more time and money into the new race development. They would have know how much effort it takes to implement a new race after AuRa!

And as I said, I never agreed with it. It's not a good stance for them to take. I just wanted to point out what was said in that it wasn't lore that was used as an excuse. They just tried to tie things together with lore.

[Crushnight]

Backstory

Got to say bravo i love that backstory <3

I'll try give mine:

After growing up to adolescence my character and 1 other in the village are identified as male now my character and this other very close friends but were also close friends with 2 others who were female, a male had arrived into the village to mate the next day he said he would be staying for 2 weeks before he took us away. During the next 2 weeks my friends who were female distanced themselves from me and my male friend we were saddened by this but we understood it was how things were done. My character's mother and my male friend's mother were preparing themselves for the eventual farewell and preparing us for what we had to face. My character's mother was a wood warden and i was receiving as much fighting training as she could fit in between her duties while my friend's mother was a salve maker and was imparting useful medical knowledge into him.

Once the 2 weeks were up we went to the village entrance we said our farewells to our mothers and although my mother was staying strong on the outside my character could tell she was broken up she had just lost her only child, my friend however was in tears. No sooner had we left the safety of the village did our mentor turn round and yell at my friend "If you don't stop now i'll kill you right here", I protested "Let me give him a min and i'll lead us both to the designated spot", Mentor goes "Good glad to see one of you has enough fire within" he then pulls out a map "meet me here, if your not by sunset you will be left to fend with the wood" and with that he leaped away. I take this time to calm my friend down and plot our course forward, as we continue i explain "Your going to need to start thinking for yourself 1st" my friend goes "Why?" i go "Because that is all we will have when we become like him" my friend goes "I don't want that i want us to stay friends " "Heh you never did like being without me were you hoping i was a girl :P" he goes "I like you as you didn't care who you were" I blush "Right forward".

Over the next few years we train and toughen up to become the new wood wardens on the eve of the final trial me and my friend were preparing both our victory speech but our farewell ones as well, I decided to go get 1 last big meal setup for us unfortunately while getting the ingredients i got bite by a poisonous spider, i had initially shrugged it off but by time got back to base i had collapsed. By the time i awoke it was nearing sunset and i saw my friend pleading me to eat this goop, "Eat this now before its too late" i hear and with what strength i had i did shortly after i lost consciousness again. When i next awoke it was nearing sunrise i looked around and see my friend slumped next to me pale as can be. "Wake up Wake up" I cried he briefly stared back and in a whisper "Good it worked" he shut his eyes and only after shaking him a few more times did i noticed he had lost an arm and a leg, "No" i muttered holding his head against my chest for the 1st time since i was a boy i cried. Our mentor came shortly after "Looks like only one of you is going to be doing the trial or would you rather die here with him?", I glared back at our mentor grit my teeth and yelled "I live for both of us". With that i buried my friend said my farewells and became a man.

20 years later, while patrolling the outer perimeter of the forest i spot interlopers trespassing, one group was a hyur family who being chased by metal men seeing as the metal men were wielding weapons that started fires i dispatched them as fast as i could, once they were dead i shot a note at the family to leave now or suffer the same fate, they obliged. Thinking to stay close in case anymore decide to enter, while none ever did my eyes could not help but look outward and see the devastation that was wrought so close to our home. Despite everything i have been taught by my mother, my mentor, it was my lost friend who's deeds resonated with me the most just like he couldn't turn his back on me when i needed help i felt i couldn't turn my back on those that needed it, it was selfish i thought to turn away from my life forever but it felt right to do so. And with that my character set out from the woods keeping to the shadows, helping those out of sight eventually i made my way to Kugane a snuck aboard a boat where it was bound i couldn't care less it was never my destination that mattered just how i lived my/our life.

Thus 2.0 Limsa intro and continue from there etc :P
Sorry for huge wall but when Az-man posted theirs i couldn't help myself XD this would be my bunnyboi backstory if we get male Viera :P

[xbahax92]

The problem with that is two fold. One - it's a weak excuse no matter how you slice it, unless the lore is "they die if they leave the forest" or something. In which case evolution would still be a thing. Two - they're trapping themselves in the case they do add them eventually...

There is a thing that actually crossed my mind though. All races, every clan - in this case Miqo'te males - while Moon keepers are rare, Sun Keepers are not. You actually meet a tribe in Gyr Abania.

While we have lore about Rava and Veena Viera, we do not have more details about both clans in detail. What Im trying to say is, both clans could still have different values and traditions. I find it very harsh to put both clans into one pot, with the little lore we got. And in my opinion, its just generalizing them way to much.
Maybe Veena Viera (males and females) interact different than Rava Viera (female+male). I think, this option gives more freedom to expand on the lore in future. Then again, Im not sure how much more lore other races got... so just an idea.