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  1. #21
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    Reiryuu's Avatar
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Now, personally I'm with the post above me somewhere that I'm more angry that there's no healer rather than dancer being a healer. But the only reason I had to respond to this thread is because of this post that reeks of condescending ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Theres a reason for that, melee physical and ranged physical healers aren't a thing, and is something you just made up. Healers are Healers. Ranged physical DPS, Caster DPS, and melee DPS are all designed very differently and do perform different roles that mostly require that role to be taken in order to be competent.
    Really now? They aren't a thing? Made up completely are they? Did you spend the like... 5 minutes on Google it may have taken you to check your lack of information before you spouted your nonsense?

    Melee Healers (Just from my personal experience with MMOs, there are more.)
    Friar [Dark Age of Camelot]
    Warrior Priest [Warhammer Online]
    Disciple of Khaine [Warhammer Online]
    Inquisitor [EQ 2 -- with AAs and such, but still]
    Chanter [AION]

    Here is a forum talking about some of people's favorite Melee healers and the pros/cons of some.
    Something of an oddity for something that doesn't exist, wouldn't you say?
    Here's another one imagine that.

    And to cap off the melee healer section how about I mention The Final Fantasy XI Dancer imagine that... a melee healer and support class in a Final Fantasy game... with the same name of the job that we are discussing shouldn't be a healer.

    Ranged Physical Using Healers
    Tyrande [Heroes of the Storm]
    Ana [Overwatch; Heroes of the Storm] (Who heals with a freaking SNIPER RIFLE I might add)
    Spellslinger [Wild Star]

    I'm sure there are more out there too, do I really need to go on though? I think I've established that these playstyles for healers do, indeed, exist.
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    Last edited by Reiryuu; 03-27-2019 at 02:37 PM.
    "Then what is magic for?" Prince Lir demanded wildly. "What use is wizardry if it cannot save a unicorn?"
    Schmendrick did not turn his head. With a touch of sad mockery in his voice, he said, "That's what heroes are for."
    -- Peter S. Beagle, The Last Unicorn

  2. #22
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    XenociderOmega's Avatar
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    Ley Crimsonriver
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    Dancer Lv 100
    While everyone else is crying over it I'll be playing my dancer
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    Last edited by XenociderOmega; 03-27-2019 at 11:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenociderOmega View Post
    While everyone else is crying over it I'll be playing my dancer
    can't wait to see openworld dance-battles in all the citys... they should get a dance-dance-revolution minigame, like bards got their instruments :3
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    Menae Dulanis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    But they don't fulfill the same role in anything higher. Party composition is 2 tanks/ 2 healers / 2 melee / 1 physical range / 1 magical range. And yes, your party suffers if you change that composition (3 melee particularly doesn't work). Considering the breakdown of 3 tanks / 3 healers / 4 melee / 2 physical ranged / 3 casters, it makes sense why they would want to make dancer physical ranged. Oh and I'm not just speculating, that is literally the reasoning that the devs gave as to why Dancer is the way it is.
    Party composition is 2 tanks/2 healers/2 melee/1 physical range/1 caster, sure. So explain to me why the physical range get 3 jobs for 1 slot and the healers get 3 jobs for 2 slots.

    I'm not against Dancer being a ranged DPS - I think it's a cool idea, actually - but I am against a ranged DPS coming at the expense of a healer when the healer role needed a new job more.
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Warrior Priest [Warhammer Online]
    Disciple of Khaine [Warhammer Online].
    These were best played as chalice holding healers, AKA traditional ranged magic healers.
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    Aeliott Cadenza
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    I’d disagree with this. It plays a part in it that people wanted a healer but I think a job that could have been a healer like dancer getting released as a dps made it worse. If it was a different dps like a crossbow or a pistol user that would have been one thing, but it’s the fact it’s a dps that has this possibility to be a healer that really doubles down on the wound.
    I disagree for the same logic though. I think a job that could have been a ranged would be worse, since there are several more options for healer to choose from, but ranged DPS is... actually quite difficult to come up with more things for. Especially without treading on machinists toes with more firearms.
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    So forget the fact that dps are never balanced (at the very least beginning of expansions) and tanks as well but here we are getting another dps and tank. Whether or not a Physical dps was needed is not my point, using excuses of "balance" is.
    The Yoshi P interview with Mr Happy is making it sound more like because of the changes they are making to healers, 6.0 could very well be a dps only expansion expansion again.
    At least i throw healers a bone..
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    Aenn Do'chas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menae View Post
    Party composition is 2 tanks/2 healers/2 melee/1 physical range/1 caster, sure. So explain to me why the physical range get 3 jobs for 1 slot and the healers get 3 jobs for 2 slots.

    I'm not against Dancer being a ranged DPS - I think it's a cool idea, actually - but I am against a ranged DPS coming at the expense of a healer when the healer role needed a new job more.
    I don’t understand this mentality. Healers needed a new job more? Ranged physical only had two jobs to select from so if someone needed a job more it would be them. However, at this point no one “needs” new job.

    I am happy with route they are taking. Fix the current healers then later give us a healer with a different playstyle.
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    Aias Khamazom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menae View Post
    I'm not against Dancer being a ranged DPS - I think it's a cool idea, actually - but I am against a ranged DPS coming at the expense of a healer when the healer role needed a new job more.
    I honestly don't think that healers need a new job. At least right now. In all fairness ranged DPS needed a new job more, since they only have 2 to choose from and (in their current iterations) only one of the jobs is fun to play.
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    Praxia Ciska
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Tbh I hate that dancer is a dps too. I wanted the next ranger to be a two pistol user. A practitioner of gun fu. A follower of John Woo. A dual gunner, if you will.

    But nah we're stuck with Axel and now an undefined part of the healer community is erupting with salty rage. *shrug*

    We will never get a dual pistol user, or even a musketeer soldier type. Why? Because they gave MCH all types of guns, ranging from tiny pistols to dual barrel shotguns and giant Allagan hand cannons that have no right being wielded one handed! Dancer with dual shakrams is the closest we will ever get. I am just glad we got it! I was hoping for it to turn out just like it did, but I never imagined it would check all my imaginary boxes like it has. I was also hoping for a surprise Chemist announcement for healers, but I guess my AST star readings were off.



    Quote Originally Posted by Menae View Post
    I'm not against Dancer being a ranged DPS - I think it's a cool idea, actually - but I am against a ranged DPS coming at the expense of a healer when the healer role needed a new job more.
    You are assuming that it would have taken the same amount of time to make a new healer instead of what may very well be a BRD variant with different animations? I guess they could just redress an existing healer but then people WILL complain. Also, and this is something that irks me. As a MCH and BRD player its also been four years since a physical ranged DPS job was released! At least there are three healer jobs compared to ranged physicals two. As a new players its not as bad for me, but taking the "we are put upon" position in an argument always fails when someone else has been put upon for more or longer.
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    Last edited by Tanker4444; 03-30-2019 at 06:04 AM.

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