Please stop crying that Dancer is a range dps

[Tryzn]

One thing about this game is that balance is a thing devs need to keep in mind. The choices of what jobs are coming out are made years in advance. The fact that we got the jobs we did this time was to fill in the voids we are missing. And before anyone says it yes we have 4 tanks, we also have 4 melee Dps. I bet in 6.0 we will get a caster and healer. Also when it comes to healers they are the hardest to balance (no not tanks).
I’m just tired of seeing all these crying on the forums

[wereotter]

I feel for healer mains who now will go two expansions without a new job. No other type of player has had to wait this long (and I do consider DPS as separate roles, magical, melee, and ranged physical)

But I do appreciate that dancer is remaining true to its earlier iterations like it was in FFVI and FFT. And I really do hope that healers get a new job sooner rather than later (my hope for this addition is Chemist)

Additionally this does set the devs up well for future job creation being able to alternate a tank and healer job every expansion and rotate between the three DPS types to release alongside them.

[Jkap_Goat]

You have 10 DPS to choose from, and they fulfill the same role when they queuing for duty roulette and trials, Dancer could have been a healer that uses range attacks and dances for heals, it would have been something truly unique from the other healers.

DPS

4 melee physical, 3 ranged physical, 3 ranged magic

Healer

0 melee physical, 0 ranged physical, 3 ranged magic



A ranged physical healer could have break that mold, IT could have been DANCER, we really need variety among the three healers a final Fantasy XIV and dancer COULD have been just that.

[Lambdafish]

You have 10 DPS to choose from, and they fulfill the same role when they queuing for duty roulette and trials

But they don't fulfill the same role in anything higher. Party composition is 2 tanks/ 2 healers / 2 melee / 1 physical range / 1 magical range. And yes, your party suffers if you change that composition (3 melee particularly doesn't work). Considering the breakdown of 3 tanks / 3 healers / 4 melee / 2 physical ranged / 3 casters, it makes sense why they would want to make dancer physical ranged. Oh and I'm not just speculating, that is literally the reasoning that the devs gave as to why Dancer is the way it is.

Healer

0 melee physical, 0 ranged physical, 3 ranged magic

Theres a reason for that, melee physical and ranged physical healers aren't a thing, and is something you just made up. Healers are Healers. Ranged physical DPS, Caster DPS, and melee DPS are all designed very differently and do perform different roles that mostly require that role to be taken in order to be competent.

[Jandor]

Theres a reason for that, melee physical and ranged physical healers aren't a thing, and is something you just made up. Healers are Healers. Ranged physical DPS, Caster DPS, and melee DPS are all designed very differently and do perform different roles that mostly require that role to be taken in order to be competent.

Melee, Ranger and Caster describe different play-styles, not roles, they're all still DPS.

A melee attacks from close range.
A ranger attacks from far away.
A caster attacks from far away while standing still.

That is what truly differentiates the DPS "roles". Anything that they bring outside of that is arbitrary and could be altered without really effecting how they fundamentally play.

All existing healers play like 'casters' just like all existing tanks play like 'melee DPS'.

[Lambdafish]

Melee, Ranger and Caster describe different play-styles, not roles, they're all still DPS.

A melee attacks from close range.
A ranger attacks from far away.
A caster attacks from far away while standing still.

Ranged DPS are the closest this game gets to a support role. DPS mechanics are usually taken by them due to their mobility and lower personal DPS. Playstyle or not, they are still "required" as part of the composition due to what they bring that the other two types don't, and because of this it makes sense to give them more options than just 2.

This isn't my opinion, its what the devs said was their reasoning.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...uI/mobilebasic This is MrHappy's direct interview with Yoshi P that outright states what I said in the above post, and also gives deeper reasoning as to why the two roles were chosen and why healer specifically wasn't. (Question 3)

[cold52]

Personally if it were up to me we would stop referring to them as range physical dps ad instead just refer to them as support dps, range physical is a mouthful.

Anyways with that said the reason we make the distinction in the first place is important reguardless if they are all dps, while normally it wont matter in normal content, when it comes to high end content this makes a difference.

Melee dps is the groups main source of single target damage and is balanced as such.

Caster dps is for aoe damage, there there to help deal with groups of adds.

Range physical dps is for party support.

Its important to understand range dps are difficult to balance because how important having extra resources can be (its why it is the role always desired to have at least one of.) By adding a third range dps they can now get a better idea of how they wish to balance this role in parties.

[Menae]

But they don't fulfill the same role in anything higher. Party composition is 2 tanks/ 2 healers / 2 melee / 1 physical range / 1 magical range. And yes, your party suffers if you change that composition (3 melee particularly doesn't work). Considering the breakdown of 3 tanks / 3 healers / 4 melee / 2 physical ranged / 3 casters, it makes sense why they would want to make dancer physical ranged. Oh and I'm not just speculating, that is literally the reasoning that the devs gave as to why Dancer is the way it is.

Party composition is 2 tanks/2 healers/2 melee/1 physical range/1 caster, sure. So explain to me why the physical range get 3 jobs for 1 slot and the healers get 3 jobs for 2 slots.

I'm not against Dancer being a ranged DPS - I think it's a cool idea, actually - but I am against a ranged DPS coming at the expense of a healer when the healer role needed a new job more.

[Feidam]

Party composition is 2 tanks/2 healers/2 melee/1 physical range/1 caster, sure. So explain to me why the physical range get 3 jobs for 1 slot and the healers get 3 jobs for 2 slots.

I'm not against Dancer being a ranged DPS - I think it's a cool idea, actually - but I am against a ranged DPS coming at the expense of a healer when the healer role needed a new job more.

I don’t understand this mentality. Healers needed a new job more? Ranged physical only had two jobs to select from so if someone needed a job more it would be them. However, at this point no one “needs” new job.

I am happy with route they are taking. Fix the current healers then later give us a healer with a different playstyle.

[eiozza]

I'm not against Dancer being a ranged DPS - I think it's a cool idea, actually - but I am against a ranged DPS coming at the expense of a healer when the healer role needed a new job more.

I honestly don't think that healers need a new job. At least right now. In all fairness ranged DPS needed a new job more, since they only have 2 to choose from and (in their current iterations) only one of the jobs is fun to play.