Since Lore Suddenly Matters

[LineageRazor]

No they're just a boring cut and paste body type of Galka 1.0 instead of at least trying to make them more interesting and change the body types by clan. Ronso have different builds that's my point.

I mean you can paint Will Smith Blue and CG in Genie features but it has to be a convincing translation, and that was my point about the Ronso they aren't.

With the exception of Au Ra, ALL of the races in FFXIV are interpretations of races from other games. Hrothgar aren't Ronso any more than Roegadyn are Galka. They are inspired by Ronso, sure, and with the right customization options can look very similar to Ronso, but bottom line, they are their own race.

Viera being so very similar to FFXII's Viera (even keeping the same name!) is the EXCEPTION, not the norm, and very likely the decision to make them exact copies was due to perceived fan demand. They had a lot more flexibility with the Hrothgar, because they were less likely to cause an uproar with every little change they made to the original Ronso design. (There was an uproar, sure, but it's not about how non-Ronso-y the Hrothgar are...)

[Listrella]

lol, I do think people are overreating a bit to the lack of male viera but that post is really funny.

[Bright-Flower]

With the exception of Au Ra, ALL of the races in FFXIV are interpretations of races from other games. Hrothgar aren't Ronso any more than Roegadyn are Galka. They are inspired by Ronso, sure, and with the right customization options can look very similar to Ronso, but bottom line, they are their own race.

Viera being so very similar to FFXII's Viera (even keeping the same name!) is the EXCEPTION, not the norm, and very likely the decision to make them exact copies was due to perceived fan demand. They had a lot more flexibility with the Hrothgar, because they were less likely to cause an uproar with every little change they made to the original Ronso design. (There was an uproar, sure, but it's not about how non-Ronso-y the Hrothgar are...)

They're inviting comparisons to Ronso when they call the First version of Hrothgar ronsos.

[LineageRazor]

They're inviting comparisons to Ronso when they call the First version of Hrothgar ronsos.

What makes you think the devs don't want to invite comparisons to Ronso? By showing the Hrothgar they built to look similar to Khimari, I think it's obvious they DO want folks to draw comparisons. However, "Inspired by" does not mean "exact copies of". Compare Roegadyn to Galka - Roes were inspired by Galka, and bear similarities to them, but are definitely not the same. A properly constructed Roe, though, can look very much like a Galka, minus the tail. Hrothgar have many traits that Ronso do, but they are NOT Ronso. If you want to build your Hrothgar to look like a Ronso, you can, and you can come pretty close, but at the end of the day you're playing a Hrothgar, not a Ronso. An "average" Hrothgar does not much resemble a Ronso, and that's fine.

The oddball here is the Viera, who DO look pretty much exactly like the original Viera, and even have the same race name. It remains to be seen how flexible the character creation system will be in deviating from the "standard" Viera look.

[kingskye]

Agreed. I might come back to 6.0 then. However let's be honest if they hadn't wasted so much time adding massively disliked content like limited jobs and Eureka's Baldesion Arsenal then they would have had more than enough time to design the full races. They gambled and they lost.

lol didnt you said you quit forever? LOL also massively disliked content? you mean taking chances? lol fact is you dont get what you want in life...lol go away for a while, even if male viera was added...just like you said, you wouldve just complained about the content...so shoo

[kingskye]

lol, I do think people are overreating a bit to the lack of male viera but that post is really funny.

oh i know...lol its sad how people create a false narrative on what square did or havent done...i mean they shoudlve honestly not release viera if people wanted to be skimpy bunny bois just saying...lol it was gonna be miquote with ears so i dont see the outrage? also i want to ask the crybabies on how that petition is going? lol

[Cilia]

So, some time later...

It's not lore that held them back, but a lack of resources and a desire to provide more diverse options. The developers wanted to put in Hrothgar but felt forced to implement Viera by fan demand; ultimately they compromised by including only one sex from both races. Previous Viera lore just supports males not being playable.

[Kalise]

So, some time later...

It's not lore that held them back, but a lack of resources and a desire to provide more diverse options. The developers wanted to put in Hrothgar but felt forced to implement Viera by fan demand; ultimately they compromised by including only one sex from both races. Previous Viera lore just supports males not being playable.

True.

Though this thread was mostly targeted at the people who were responding to the upset players with "OMG they're just being true to the lore bro!"

To which this is a tongue in cheek way of highlighting that XIV doesn't particularly care much about lore outside its actual story arcs.

If being fair, there's also the other side of things to consider too. Such as the fact that any other game that isn't FFXIV is inherently non-canon. Just like every other Final Fantasy game (Outside of sequels such as X-2 and XIII-2 and spin offs like Dirge of Cerberus) is in a completely different universe to one another.

So, even if in Tactics/XII they had a specific lore... It doesn't automatically apply to XIV (Or any other Final Fantasy game).

Just like how in every other Final Fantasy game, Stone, Water and Aero are all Black Magic. In XIV they're considered White Magic.

[Cilia]

True.

Though this thread was mostly targeted at the people who were responding to the upset players with "OMG they're just being true to the lore bro!"

To which this is a tongue in cheek way of highlighting that XIV doesn't particularly care much about lore outside its actual story arcs.

If being fair, there's also the other side of things to consider too. Such as the fact that any other game that isn't FFXIV is inherently non-canon. Just like every other Final Fantasy game (Outside of sequels such as X-2 and XIII-2 and spin offs like Dirge of Cerberus) is in a completely different universe to one another.

So, even if in Tactics/XII they had a specific lore... It doesn't automatically apply to XIV (Or any other Final Fantasy game).

Just like how in every other Final Fantasy game, Stone, Water and Aero are all Black Magic. In XIV they're considered White Magic.

I thought it was targeted at the developers as (yet another) complaint over them citing lore as to why male Viera weren't introduced; "lore" was, until we got clarification, what most people were going with or perhaps what the developers themselves cited.

... and while XIV doesn't have to follow the established lore of other settings / titles, the race was imported as a carbon copy of their previous incarnation in XII. I was hopeful they'd introduce the male Viera despite that (if only to avoid this nonsense), but considering that I wasn't terribly surprised they went in the direction they did. Perhaps the reason most people were going with "lore" was precisely because the Viera are identical to their XII incarnations? Food for thought.

[Kalise]

I thought it was targeted at the developers as (yet another) complaint over them citing lore as to why male Viera weren't introduced; "lore" was, until we got clarification, what most people were going with or perhaps what the developers themselves cited.

Nah, the Dev's didn't say anything about why no male Viera (Or female Hrothgar) until the clarification (Since the forums had exploded before they had even got back to the office after the Fan Fest)

So, amid the whole kerfuffle about this, people were merely speculating why the genderlocks had occurred. Some people stating "But muh loooore!", others saying that the original designer of Viera had control over their usage and said "No MALES! >:[", with a minor point being argued was lack of resources (The actual correct reason)

Perhaps the reason most people were going with "lore" was precisely because the Viera are identical to their XII incarnations? Food for thought.

True. Though, the fact remains that due to how the FF universes are unique, it's not ALWAYS going to be the case that things like lore will be copied 100% from things that are ported nearly 100% accurately from other games.

It can certainly be an argument, but it's not the end-all-be-all of the matter, like people where presuming it was (Made even more hilarious when Yoshida then later straight up said that lore wasn't the reason for the genderlock xD)