Since Lore Suddenly Matters

[Cilia]

When did they attack players who wanted male Viera and female Hrothgar? They just didn't give said players what they wanted. How is that an attack?

As someone who's invested in neither (I'll run NG+ as a Hrothgar if there are changes and you can do it "fresh" so to speak; otherwise, meh on both) I don't see how this is personal unless you make it out to be. Male Viera / female Hrothgar were never promised... people just assumed the former would be playable and the existence of the Hrothgar (let alone what they looked like) wasn't confirmed until last night. (The French bug gave us a heads up, but.)

Viera showing up in the first place led to hopes they would be playable and fears they wouldn't be. And, well, as Yoda says...

... now, if you'll excuse me I'm going to go get my kettle corn and enjoy the show.

[polyphonica]

As I noted in another thread, people who are using the lore as if it were "the justification" for the decision are misguided, and that was never the point of any comment made by the dev team. There is and will be an in-lore "rationalization" for their decision, because obviously there will be. But if they decide later on to flesh out the other genders for the respective races, there will be an in-lore rationalization for that as well. This is just a development decision on how to allocate costs and resources internally, and prioritization based on marketing, leadership preference, or whatever other factors entered their decision-making. They're definitely not bound or restricted in any way by the lore, and could easily add the other genders later if they think it's worth doing. (If people keep the pressure up over the long term, it'll support that it's worth doing.)

[Bright-Flower]

I just don't buy the lore thing.

A. Lore was no male playable miqo'te. Oh look those got added, despite similar lore reasons to not have them.
B. Other Ivalice stuff got changed. Including how things on the Tactics part of the story ended, and flipping it around so that the FF XII stuff happens after the Tactics stuff, the reverse of the other games. Why are male viera the one sacred cow of Ivalice lore that FF XIV can't adjust in its setting? Everything else they have no problems with changing.

[XiroGear]

While I'm sure there is a good lore reason that The male Viera and the female Hrothgar cannot be a playable race, I feel as though there is a good lore reason that they can be. So please hear me out. For the case for Male Viera: As far as the world the game takes place in is concerned, unless there is something I'm missing there is only one warrior of light, or in this case a warrior of Darkness, and by extension a single Male Viera WoD, and I do believe the viera race would, albeit reluctantly allow this Viera access to their cities/villages due to them being little more than a barrier otherwise and acting as an unwitting agent in the lights consumption of the first shard. And even if the other characters that we know of that are confirmed to have the echo, there is only one, the player character, that would be a male Viera echo user, the WoL/WoD. Basically giving said Viera a pass, again with reluctance from the females though with whatever we do to earn their respect during the events of 5.0 going into the Greatwood and first contact with the Viera of the first shard would aid in our allowance into their towns along with any recommendations that we may get along the way. The males may be banished from the towns without the known exceptions, I think that an exception could be made for a single male Viera that not only have done what is done before the first contact, but is the to be the savior of the shard.


As for the Female Wrothgar, I'm sure we will get more lore reasons going into the future but The fact that the Hrothgar exist as a response for the Viera being currently Female only, is kinda a poor excuse for them to be male only. So until we learn more about the Wrothgar I don't see a reason that there can only be male playable Hrothgar.

And for those who will argue the fact the male Viera are banished from the towns until the requirements for the exceptions to be met, nee dI remind you of the Mi'qote, the Male Keepers of the moon are in the same if not a similar boat to the Viera and yet we can play as them in the game. Also the laws for the male Viera's banishment seems to really only be applicable to the Greatwood and no were else, plus I don't think there is a lore reason as to why the males cannot simply leave the Greatwood and make a name for themselves elsewhere in the world, also, as stated in the opening keynote there are differences between the Scorce and the other shards, so the laws of the first may not be the same in the source as far as how civilizations are developed, look at the Lalafells, they are the Lalas that we all know and love...or hate, in the source, but in the first they are the Dwarves, living live akin to those of the kobolds. So my Question to the loremaster of FFXIV and the Dev team as a Whole would be to rebuke this statement with lore reasonings and rational not just using the lore as an excuse to avoid this.

[Shurrikhan]

So, what is this explanatory lore anyways? That Viera reproduce asexually and Hrothgar all leave their women on some other continent / Hrothgar kick their males off their continent after breeding?

[dalta]

So, what is this explanatory lore anyways? That Viera reproduce asexually and Hrothgar all leave their women on some other continent / Hrothgar kick their males off their continent after breeding?

im not 100% sure on viera but i think there ARE male viera but they leave there mothers at a young age and go to be silent protectors of there forest
thats something i heard once a year or so ago. another thing was the males and females are split intro tribes and very rarely met up

as for hrothgar there new for the most part and are VARY LOOSELY based on ronso from ff10 wich had both male and female

[Daralii]

im not 100% sure on viera but i think there ARE male viera but they leave there mothers at a young age and go to be silent protectors of there forest
thats something i heard once a year or so ago. another thing was the males and females are split intro tribes and very rarely met up

as for hrothgar there new for the most part and are VARY LOOSELY based on ronso from ff10 wich had both male and female

The males only go into the villages periodically(annually?) to mate and pick up any newly found male children. The rest of their time is spent far out in the jungle as guardsmen, either alone or with kits they're training. They otherwise have no contact with the rest of their species.

[KylePearlsand]

The males only go into the villages periodically(annually?) to mate and pick up any newly found male children. The rest of their time is spent far out in the jungle as guardsmen, either alone or with kits they're training. They otherwise have no contact with the rest of their species.

On top of this it seems to be very rare to actually see a male Viera and more so to live to tell the tale. They are probably more likely to rip your dick off, feed it to you and stab you through the heart fifteen times with a spear than approach for friendly conversation. And that's probably putting it lightly.

[XiroGear]

On top of this it seems to be very rare to actually see a male Viera and more so to live to tell the tale. They are probably more likely to rip your dick off, feed it to you and stab you through the heart fifteen times with a spear than approach for friendly conversation. And that's probably putting it lightly.

And I wonder from which account that was taken, who knows, maybe they are more amenable than we know. Maybe we can befriend a few given the right circumstance?

[guardin]

the race thing i hate. the healers i get. its awesome! we needed more range and healers need more time in the oven.