Yoshi-P considering feedback on the new races

[DevilsDontFly]

"Yoshida added that in Final Fantasy XII, which is where Viera is from, the male Viera do not show themselves in public, so Final Fantasy XIV Online is staying loyal to the lore with only offering a female option. Yoshida explained that the male-only Hrothgar is Square Enix's effort to offer a new male-only race in response to Viera being female-only."

The above certainly appears to be the reasons for the route they took with the race choices. Can that change and lore be revised and additional genders added, certainly if they choose to do so.

But see this is where they lose me.
Viera = We're being loyal to the lore (that we created) to explain why we genderlocked it, please understand.
Ronso = We're changing the lore (that we also created) to explain why we also genderlocked it, please understand.

The inconsistency of ideas and decisions makes me not believe that the reason we got genderlock is genuine "lack of resources".
Not only that, but they clrealy said that Hrothgar was decided as a race before Viera, however Viera went into development first because of the raid and then more talk happened in regards to adding them or not. Male Viera was never even considered, because the options were either adding female Ronso or the Viera girls. And SE being the "waifu sells" company we all know well, decided to release two half races instead of delivering a full Hrothgar one with both genders.

[Kaedan]

Yoshida answered in an interview that they only had enough time and resources to create 1 new race. But they wanted to add 2 new races, because people had been wanting both a beast race and the Viera for a long time. So they decided on definitely doing the male Hrothgar, but they had to choose between doing the female Hrothgar or doing female Viera. As a compromise, they chose to add the female Viera instead of female Hrothgar.

Makes the best of an impossible situation.

And while lore of the Viera does support the decision, the decision wasn't made BECAUSE of the lore.

[LaylaTsarra]

And SE being the "waifu sells" company we all know well, decided to release two half races instead of delivering a full Hrothgar one with both genders.

No they decided to meet the wishes of two populations one that wanted Viera and one that wanted a beast race. You can ascribe all the intentions you like relative to their motivations but his statement above seems pretty clear. I sincerely doubt that a full male and female Hrothgar race would have been better received with the exclusion of Viera.

Both male Viera and female Hrothgar would have seen a lot fewer people actually emplying those options than the choices they have made currently. You may not be happy with it but they certainly decided to go with the options which they felt would result in the most people choosing to actually use the races they've spent all that time developing.

You can poo poo the lore reasons all you like but that appears to be the route THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM chose to follow when making their decisions.

[Lacan]

I really doubt there would be less people playing male Viera than Hrothgar... look at how many miqote there are now.

[LaylaTsarra]

I really doubt there would be less people playing male Viera than Hrothgar... look at how many miqote there are now.

Well you may be right with respect to male Viera I really don't know but I would suspect female Hrothgar wouldn't be all that popular. As it stands right now it looks like the door might be open for them to add the other genders in the future.

[Dawntracker]

Then I don't know where you usually are strolling around. Reddid and Twitter at least are pretty upset about this, too.

But to be fair, Reddit and Twitter are upset about pretty much anything. This forum sometimes doesn't seem that different.

Myself, i cant be bothered either way tbh. I like the races as they are shown, and I also like the idea of male viera and female "ronso". What I do find interesting is the behavior of a lot of people on these media. Some think it's their right to get something that they want and SE will just have to do their bidding. Some think it's their right to deny those people that wish and some even act like its the end of the world as we know it. What those people do have in common is that all of them are a bunch of selfish hypocrites that only think of themselves and disregard any arguments of the people with a different opinion simply because it might disrupt their wishes.

Mind you, not everyone here behaves that way thank god. And most people i spoke in game seem to not be bothered at all with the rage war that seems to have filled this forum and social media. They just cant wait to try out dancer/gunbreaker and continue the main story maybe as a viera or a Hrothgar or just continue on the same race character as they experienced all adventures of their warrior of light.

Edit: For clarification, Only the first line of my post is directed to your quote. The rest is pretty much my take on all this and not at all directed at you directly.

[Halivel]

As it stands right now it looks like the door might be open for them to add the other genders in the future.

It surely at least looks like so and that's why the community is vocal about this. Fully understandable though that due to the cost and time it will not be released earlier than 6.0 if not 7.0.

[DevilsDontFly]

Well you may be right with respect to male Viera I really don't know but I would suspect female Hrothgar wouldn't be all that popular. As it stands right now it looks like the door might be open for them to add the other genders in the future.

Which adds up to why I said "waifu sells". I completely understand your point and where you're coming from, and I also agree with some of the stuff you said, but as it is right now it's very disappointing because it creates an atmosphere in which Hrothgar feels like an invasor taking the spot of someone else (male Viera), when in reality it's the other way around.
Not only that but even to people that genuinely liked them (speaking 100% for myself here), it makes them feel like Hrothgar are an afterthought that had to be rushed a couple months before launch so we could acomodate and feature all the marketing for the almighty Viera women. To be a little bit more clear I will quote what I posted on another thread:

Viera had 3 promo art pictures, a panel dedicated to early concepts of face and ears, inclusion in the oficial CGI trailer and is also featured as the race representing dancer. We know where they are from, they have starter gear that is an homage to the Viera character and are also featured as the additional stuff you get by ordering the Collector's Edition. Ronso... well, Ronso is there.

It's also worth noticing that Viera was revealed on much higher quality environment, not only giving us a glimpse of their homeland but also having really nice angles, lighting and overall better polishment. Hrothgar on the other hand were revealed in the middle of nowhere, with terrible lighting, even worse angles that did the race 0 justice and even for an "in the works" project fell flat compared to what Viera had to offer. It definitely doesn't feel like Hrothgar was the first thought by any means.

[Fland]

But see this is where they lose me.
Viera = We're being loyal to the lore (that we created) to explain why we genderlocked it, please understand.
Ronso = We're changing the lore (that we also created) to explain why we also genderlocked it, please understand.

This basically.
I have no idea why he kept bringing up the FFXII lore when he already stated that they could barely make the female viera and male hrothgar ready for fanfest.

It's not like he has never specify the lack of time and resources as a reason for other contents before, so why not just stick to that and leave all these lore reasonings.

[Tharne]

But see this is where they lose me.
Viera = We're being loyal to the lore (that we created) to explain why we genderlocked it, please understand.
Ronso = We're changing the lore (that we also created) to explain why we also genderlocked it, please understand.

The inconsistency of ideas and decisions makes me not believe that the reason we got genderlock is genuine "lack of resources".
Not only that, but they clrealy said that Hrothgar was decided as a race before Viera, however Viera went into development first because of the raid and then more talk happened in regards to adding them or not. Male Viera was never even considered, because the options were either adding female Ronso or the Viera girls. And SE being the "waifu sells" company we all know well, decided to release two half races instead of delivering a full Hrothgar one with both genders.

Hrothgar =/= FFX Ronso (He even talked about a wolf face in the interview, they took inspiration but they are not Ronso). The name in the First Shard is just an easter egg, an homage that's why they decided to call them Hrothgar and not Ronso in our shard contrary to Viera for which the lore is almost the same as the one from FFXII.

We don't have lore for Hrothgar at the moment so they are not changing anything at all.

And even if it's a lack of resources/time or also the fact that Male Viera was never even considered, you still need to create Lore for your game to make sense even if some people don't like said Lore.