Yoshi-P considering feedback on the new races

[LaylaTsarra]

"Yoshida added that in Final Fantasy XII, which is where Viera is from, the male Viera do not show themselves in public, so Final Fantasy XIV Online is staying loyal to the lore with only offering a female option. Yoshida explained that the male-only Hrothgar is Square Enix's effort to offer a new male-only race in response to Viera being female-only."

The above certainly appears to be the reasons for the route they took with the race choices. Can that change and lore be revised and additional genders added, certainly if they choose to do so.

[VillainQueen]

"Yoshida added that in Final Fantasy XII, which is where Viera is from, the male Viera do not show themselves in public, so Final Fantasy XIV Online is staying loyal to the lore with only offering a female option. Yoshida explained that the male-only Hrothgar is Square Enix's effort to offer a new male-only race in response to Viera being female-only."

The above certainly appears to be the reasons for the route they took with the race choices. Can that change and lore be revised and additional genders added, certainly if they choose to do so.

Also a race is not a hivemind. Just because they usually don't show themselves a live isolated doesn't mean that every male Viera has to do so. Leaving the forest was forbidden by the females as well and they shunned Fran for it. So seeing all these female Viera shouldn't be much different from encountering banished male ones.

[BillyKaplan]

Can that change and lore be revised and additional genders added, certainly if they choose to do so.

No lore would even have to be changed for male Viera given :
1. a single male leaving the forest does not break the lore. (other PCs are ignored canonically)
2. they already broke the lore so many other times without changing it, like for Duskwights and Keepers. They don't need to change the lore, they need to stop hiding behind it.

[LaylaTsarra]

No lore would even have to be changed for male Viera given :
1. a single male leaving the forest does not break the lore. (other PCs are ignored canonically)
2. they already broke the lore so many other times without changing it, like for Duskwights and Keepers. They don't need to change the lore, they need to stop hiding behind it.

i think they want to remain true to FFXII and I really don't know how that IP would feel with XIV making changes like adding males to their game when XII hasn't. I'm not opposed to having the genders added. Perhaps they will but it does appear to be quite expensive and requires quite a bit of development time.

Personally I'm not unhappy with the choices made for this xpac. Male and Female for both would have been too good to be true I suppose.

[Halivel]

i think they want to remain true to FFXII and I really don't know how that IP would feel with XIV making changes like adding males to their game when XII hasn't. I'm not opposed to having the genders added. Perhaps they will but it does appear to be quite expensive and requires quite a bit of development time.

XI doesn't seems to be upset with the fact that two races from there are unlocked now.
Still, as you said, it costs money and a lot of time, so it's reasonable that they want to be sure that such implementation will be worth. Same as it was in 1.0.

[BillyKaplan]

i think they want to remain true to FFXII and I really don't know how that IP would feel with XIV making changes like adding males to their game when XII hasn't.

Matsuno went on record stating it wasn't because of him.

[LaylaTsarra]

Matsuno went on record stating it wasn't because of him.

Well then it's a question of money and development time and whether or not they are willing to invest that into the game. I'm all for additional races. It's a big part of the fun I have with the game and a reason why I have so many alts.

[DevilsDontFly]

"Yoshida added that in Final Fantasy XII, which is where Viera is from, the male Viera do not show themselves in public, so Final Fantasy XIV Online is staying loyal to the lore with only offering a female option. Yoshida explained that the male-only Hrothgar is Square Enix's effort to offer a new male-only race in response to Viera being female-only."

The above certainly appears to be the reasons for the route they took with the race choices. Can that change and lore be revised and additional genders added, certainly if they choose to do so.

But see this is where they lose me.
Viera = We're being loyal to the lore (that we created) to explain why we genderlocked it, please understand.
Ronso = We're changing the lore (that we also created) to explain why we also genderlocked it, please understand.

The inconsistency of ideas and decisions makes me not believe that the reason we got genderlock is genuine "lack of resources".
Not only that, but they clrealy said that Hrothgar was decided as a race before Viera, however Viera went into development first because of the raid and then more talk happened in regards to adding them or not. Male Viera was never even considered, because the options were either adding female Ronso or the Viera girls. And SE being the "waifu sells" company we all know well, decided to release two half races instead of delivering a full Hrothgar one with both genders.

[LaylaTsarra]

And SE being the "waifu sells" company we all know well, decided to release two half races instead of delivering a full Hrothgar one with both genders.

No they decided to meet the wishes of two populations one that wanted Viera and one that wanted a beast race. You can ascribe all the intentions you like relative to their motivations but his statement above seems pretty clear. I sincerely doubt that a full male and female Hrothgar race would have been better received with the exclusion of Viera.

Both male Viera and female Hrothgar would have seen a lot fewer people actually emplying those options than the choices they have made currently. You may not be happy with it but they certainly decided to go with the options which they felt would result in the most people choosing to actually use the races they've spent all that time developing.

You can poo poo the lore reasons all you like but that appears to be the route THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM chose to follow when making their decisions.

[Fland]

But see this is where they lose me.
Viera = We're being loyal to the lore (that we created) to explain why we genderlocked it, please understand.
Ronso = We're changing the lore (that we also created) to explain why we also genderlocked it, please understand.

This basically.
I have no idea why he kept bringing up the FFXII lore when he already stated that they could barely make the female viera and male hrothgar ready for fanfest.

It's not like he has never specify the lack of time and resources as a reason for other contents before, so why not just stick to that and leave all these lore reasonings.