6 Years without a healer?

[Lambdafish]

DPS are selected by what provides the highest raid DPS... adding DNC into the equation changes absolutely nothing about which of the three ranged physical DPS is being taken to a raid - you just have one more spec competing for one of the four damage slots.

That might be true for casual content (for queue time convenience), but for high end content the roles are indeed split up to have 2 tanks/2 healers/1 ranged/1 caster. And that's not a community thing, there are fights that require two ranged DPS, and the ranged and caster jobs are intentionally designed to not synergize with each other very well.

With that in mind, it makes sense why the Devs would want to add to the role type that is lacking.

[Yuyuka3]

This is a discussion forum, and everyone has a right to express how they feel about the situation. If it is grating your ears/eyeballs then turn away. This is a big issue, and we're not just going to sit idly by and ignore it.

Balance is their excuse, but it is not the true reason why we are not getting a 4th healer. We are not getting a 4th healer at least at the launch of 5.0 for a myriad of reasons. One of them is AST. The addition of this job in 3.0 really screwed things up. It showcased that they could not find a way to make a 3rd healer truly unique giving it the base skills of WHM and tossing in a card mechanic. It is now over-tuned and because it has nearly the entire base toolkit of WHM, leaving WHM out in the cold.

Role skills is another. An extremely flawed design due to an antiquated and stubborn FFXI/FFXIV 1.0 mentality of thinking such a system works in this mmo. No role has suffered from this atrocious design more than healers.

PvE content design is a third reason that has also backed them into a corner which does not allow healer A to have distinctive advantages/disadvantages in comparison to Healer B and Healer C. Since all three healers can easily meet the healing requirements, the only way to accomplish this is to diversify their DPS kits and they did a poor job with this as well; once again leaving WHM out in the cold.

Another reason: BLU. The devs made the decision to allocate time and resources into its implementation which could have been spent fixing this healer cobweb we're entangled in. This then leads to reason five: neglect. I don't know if they see the healer community as the least desirable role to play based off some BS chart or other form of figures and numbers but a decision was made to leave the healer status quo as is. See reason number three. What really sucks is that the limited job concept failed. BLU was clearly the wrong choice, and while there are some players who are fine with it, there are far more who wanted this job to be viable for duties in very much the same way the healer community wanted a 4th healer.

We already KNOW that healers are unbalanced. This isn't news to anybody. The problem are the reasons why they are unbalanced. The circumstances that have lead to the state the healer community is currently in. The dev team still has my support because I sympathize with the amount of pressure that is on them to bring satisfactory content to so many different playstyles, but things like this break down those supportive pillars due to feelings of being underappreciated.

I can't even begin to comprehend how you think not having a new healer is the best outcome of this situation when it is the outcome of an extremely bad circumventive situations the devs have put themselves in.

It's not that I disagree with you. Actually, quite the contrary. I agree on almost every point. However, the reason why I think that not getting another healer yet is the best possible solution is because I don't want them to allocate resources into figuring out what new healer to make that will only be another copy-paste job in the end. I want to actually, deeply think about the existing healers, evaluate what's wrong with the current situation, come up with a solution, and then implement said solution.

Unfortunately, my hope for this has since been crushed by the "make WHM more easy"-garbage comment that's floating around now, and that, believe it or not, was presented to me as something good when I first shown it yesterday. "At least they are doing something about it! Just wait and see!"
Yeah, thank you, I waited and saw pre-4.0 already, and see where it took us. I'm not gonna wait and see anymore. That comment is on the same level of bad as the "pure healer"-bullshit from pre-4.0...
Ah well. I digressed.

[Greywolfamakir]

8 years without Jedi Knight job...

Why?
How?
When?
Who?
What?

YES, 6 years with no one new Healer.

WHO CARES? current healers (SCH/WHM/AST) will get new skills, changes and new/change mechanics...so who cares?

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

8 years without Jedi Knight job...

Why?
How?
When?
Who?
What?

YES, 6 years with no one new Healer.

WHO CARES? current healers (SCH/WHM/AST) will get new skills, changes and new/change mechanics...so who cares?

so will dps so will tanks we care because they never put us healers first they put blue mage,monster hunter, and ff15 event over us then use our unbalanced as a excuse .. when THEY COULD OF FIXED IT IN STORMBRINGERS IF THEY CARED ABOUT US HEALERS AT ALL

[Lozza]

YES, 6 years with no one new Healer.

WHO CARES? current healers (SCH/WHM/AST) will get new skills, changes and new/change mechanics...so who cares?

All jobs will be getting new skills. The combat system is getting yet another revamp and most if not all jobs are going to get big changes. How are healers special in all of this? They aren't. Healers are getting nothing that other jobs aren't getting.

[Darkpaw]

so will dps so will tanks we care because they never put us healers first they put blue mage,monster hunter, and ff15 event over us then use our unbalanced as a excuse .. when THEY COULD OF FIXED IT IN STORMBRINGERS IF THEY CARED ABOUT US HEALERS AT ALL

To be fair healers were not the only jobs that were screwed out of fixes in Stormblood. Machinists begged and pleaded for ages, and are now cautiously optimistic for something good to happen come May. Now that doesn't mean that there isn't real reason to be upset about there not being a new healer. There absolutely is, but this particular argument may not be the best one to put forward. 6 years without a new healer is extreme to say the least. Yes, there have been balance issues with the healers, and yes, white mages have gotten shafted pretty hardcore. If they want more time to fix it then it is what it is. I'm all for giving the Devs feed back about their design decisions, but the argument stating that it could have been fixed in Stormblood could apply to a number of things, and the MHW and FFXV crossovers most likely had no impact on the decision as money and resources are allocated for these things well in advance and not generally taken from other core design decisions. We have no indication that the crossovers or blue mage itself robbed resources away from the teams responsible for job balance in the game.

[Lozza]

To be fair healers were not the only jobs that were screwed out of fixes in Stormblood. Machinists begged and pleaded for ages, and are now cautiously optimistic for something good to happen come May. Now that doesn't mean that there isn't real reason to be upset about there not being a new healer. There absolutely is, but this particular argument may not be the best one to put forward. 6 years without a new healer is extreme to say the least. Yes, there have been balance issues with the healers, and yes, white mages have gotten shafted pretty hardcore. If they want more time to fix it then it is what it is. I'm all for giving the Devs feed back about their design decisions, but the argument stating that it could have been fixed in Stormblood could apply to a number of things...

The problem lies in the fact that this is the 2nd time that healers have heard this particular song. Many like myself were content with the explanation in SB, and expansion to fix the balance issues didn't seem like such a bad thing. Yet despite healer forums generally giving a lot of feedback as to how healers were unbalanced, we've ended up in exactly the same position as we were before SB launched, hearing the exact same excuse while tanks who have similar issues to healers (though rather than PLD being at the bottom pre SB, DRK is) are getting a new tank because they feel the need to balance them out.

[DamianFatale]

AST is not a copy of WHM or Scholar. I admit that we share similar skills of the two, but you guys don't have the card buffs, or time extensions on regens. We do unique things.

[Lambdafish]

AST is not a copy of WHM or Scholar. I admit that we share similar skills of the two, but you guys don't have the card buffs, or time extensions on regens. We do unique things.

My biggest problem with AST is the sects. Those stances to me just read "SCH mode" and "WHM mode" which a big problem for class identity. If they removed those and reworked AST into something that deviated from SCH and WHM I think it would be a lot better received in its own right.

[Sebazy]

AST is not a copy of WHM or Scholar. I admit that we share similar skills of the two, but you guys don't have the card buffs, or time extensions on regens. We do unique things.

I'm not really sure how you can make a statement of this?

The core kit is absolutely a cut and paste of WHM, doubly so in Diu sect. It's GCD healing setup functions identically to WHM and until the introduction of Earthly Star, you would typically heal in almost exactly the same manner as well.